Trump’s Latest Admission: He Had An Explicit Discussion With Cohen About A Pardon | Deadline | MSNBC

Trump’s Latest Admission: He Had An Explicit Discussion With Cohen About A Pardon | Deadline | MSNBC


>>>ALOHA AND NAMASTE, EVERYONE. IT IS 4:00 IN NEW YORK CITY. IT IS 4:00 IN NEW YORK CITY. I’M JOHN HEILEMANN, IN FOR I’M JOHN HEILEMANN, IN FOR NICOLLE WALLACE, CONTRARY TO NICOLLE WALLACE, CONTRARY TO WHAT ALI VELSHI JUST SAID. WHAT ALI VELSHI JUST SAID. PRESIDENT TRUMP COULDN’T STAY IN PRESIDENT TRUMP COULDN’T STAY IN THE GLOW THIS MORNING ABOUT THE THE GLOW THIS MORNING ABOUT THE SENTENCE TO PAUL MANAFORT, TO SENTENCE TO PAUL MANAFORT, TO LENIENT IT GIVES NEW MEANING TO LENIENT IT GIVES NEW MEANING TO THE PHRASE SOFT ON CRIME BUT THE PHRASE SOFT ON CRIME BUT INSTEAD TRUMP SEIZED THE NEWS INSTEAD TRUMP SEIZED THE NEWS CYCLE AND TURNED IT BACK TO A CYCLE AND TURNED IT BACK TO A TOPIC YOU WOULD THINK HE WOULD TOPIC YOU WOULD THINK HE WOULD RATHER AVOID, HIS FORMER FIXER RATHER AVOID, HIS FORMER FIXER MICHAEL COHEN. MICHAEL COHEN. TRUMP TWEETING SEEMINGLY OUT OF TRUMP TWEETING SEEMINGLY OUT OF THE BLUE ABOUT THE TESTIMONY ON THE BLUE ABOUT THE TESTIMONY ON CAPITOL HILL ALL OF NINE DAYS CAPITOL HILL ALL OF NINE DAYS AGO. AGO. HERE’S THAT TWEET — HERE’S THAT TWEET –>>BAD LAWYER AND FRAUDSTER>>BAD LAWYER AND FRAUDSTER MICHAEL COHEN SAID UNDER SWORN MICHAEL COHEN SAID UNDER SWORN TESTIMONY THAT HE NEVER ASKED TESTIMONY THAT HE NEVER ASKED FOR A PARDON. FOR A PARDON. HIS LAWYERS TOTALLY CONTRADICTED HIS LAWYERS TOTALLY CONTRADICTED HIM. HIM. HE LIED. HE LIED. ADDITIONALLY, HE DIRECTED ASKED ADDITIONALLY, HE DIRECTED ASKED ME FOR A PARDON. ME FOR A PARDON. I SAID NO. I SAID NO. HE LIED AGAIN. HE LIED AGAIN. HE ALSO BADLY WANTED TO WORK AT HE ALSO BADLY WANTED TO WORK AT THE WHITE HOUSE. THE WHITE HOUSE. HE LIED. HE LIED. A LOT OF LIES GOING ON THERE. A LOT OF LIES GOING ON THERE. NOT ONLY CAN THAT TWEET BE NOT ONLY CAN THAT TWEET BE CONSIDERED AN ACT OF RETALIATION CONSIDERED AN ACT OF RETALIATION AGAINST COHEN, A WITNESS WHO IS AGAINST COHEN, A WITNESS WHO IS ACTIVELY COOPERATING AGAINST ACTIVELY COOPERATING AGAINST TRUMP, IT’S ALSO A BRAND-NEW TRUMP, IT’S ALSO A BRAND-NEW INITIATIVE THAT TRUMP HAD A INITIATIVE THAT TRUMP HAD A EXPLICIT CONVERSATION ABOUT A EXPLICIT CONVERSATION ABOUT A PARDON WHEN COHEN WAS STILL PARDON WHEN COHEN WAS STILL LYING ON TRUMP’S BEHALF. LYING ON TRUMP’S BEHALF. WE HAVE BEEN HEARING FOR MONTHS WE HAVE BEEN HEARING FOR MONTHS ABOUT TRUMP’S WITNESSES AND ABOUT TRUMP’S WITNESSES AND MUELLER’S INVESTIGATION BUT THIS MUELLER’S INVESTIGATION BUT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE’VE BEEN IS THE FIRST TIME WE’VE BEEN HEARING TRUMP MAY HAVE BEEN HEARING TRUMP MAY HAVE BEEN PERSONALLY INVOLVED IN THOSE PERSONALLY INVOLVED IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS. DISCUSSIONS. NEEDLESS TO SAY, TRUMP’S TWEET NEEDLESS TO SAY, TRUMP’S TWEET HAS OPENED HIM UP TO EVEN MORE HAS OPENED HIM UP TO EVEN MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER HE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER HE DANGLED PARDONS IN FRONT OF ANY DANGLED PARDONS IN FRONT OF ANY OF THE OTHER CONVICTED FELONS OF THE OTHER CONVICTED FELONS THAT WAS ONCE IN HIS INNER THAT WAS ONCE IN HIS INNER CIRCLE. CIRCLE. AND THAT’S A TOPIC UNDER AND THAT’S A TOPIC UNDER SCRUTINY BY AT TLEEFT THREE SCRUTINY BY AT TLEEFT THREE PERSONAL BODIES. PERSONAL BODIES. ROBERT MUELLER’S SPECIAL COUNSEL ROBERT MUELLER’S SPECIAL COUNSEL INVESTIGATION, SOUTHERN DISTRICT INVESTIGATION, SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK AND HOUSE OF NEW YORK AND HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE. INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE. BUT AS IF THAT WASN’T ENOUGH BUT AS IF THAT WASN’T ENOUGH POTENTIAL PERIL ON THE PARDON POTENTIAL PERIL ON THE PARDON FRONT, TRUMP ALSO JUST TODAY FRONT, TRUMP ALSO JUST TODAY APPEARED TO LEAVE THE DOOR AJAR APPEARED TO LEAVE THE DOOR AJAR TO, GUESS WHAT? TO, GUESS WHAT? A PARDON FOR PAUL MANAFORT. A PARDON FOR PAUL MANAFORT.>>I FEEL VERY BADLY FOR PAUL>>I FEEL VERY BADLY FOR PAUL MANAFORT. MANAFORT. I THINK IT’S BEEN A VERY, VERY I THINK IT’S BEEN A VERY, VERY TOUGH TIME FOR HIM, BUT IF YOU TOUGH TIME FOR HIM, BUT IF YOU NOTICE, BOTH HIS LAWYER, A NOTICE, BOTH HIS LAWYER, A HIGHLY RESPECTED MAN AND A VERY HIGHLY RESPECTED MAN AND A VERY HIGHLY RESPECTED JUDGE, THE HIGHLY RESPECTED JUDGE, THE JUDGE SAID THERE WAS NO JUDGE SAID THERE WAS NO COLLUSION WITH RUSSIA. COLLUSION WITH RUSSIA. THIS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH COLLUSION. COLLUSION. THERE WAS NO COLLUSION. THERE WAS NO COLLUSION. IT’S A COLLUSION HOAX. IT’S A COLLUSION HOAX. IT’S A COLLUSION WITCH HOAX. IT’S A COLLUSION WITCH HOAX. I DON’T EVEN DISCUSS IT. I DON’T EVEN DISCUSS IT. THE ONLY ONE DISCUSSING IT IS THE ONLY ONE DISCUSSING IT IS YOU. YOU. I HAVEN’T DISCUSSED IT. I HAVEN’T DISCUSSED IT.>>THAT’S NEW, COLLUSION AND>>THAT’S NEW, COLLUSION AND WITCH HOAX. WITCH HOAX. THAT’S WHERE WE START TODAY WITH THAT’S WHERE WE START TODAY WITH SOME OF OUR FAVORITE REPORTERS SOME OF OUR FAVORITE REPORTERS AND FRIENDS. AND FRIENDS. PHIL RUCKER, WHITE HOUSE BUREAU PHIL RUCKER, WHITE HOUSE BUREAU CHIEF OF THE “THE WASHINGTON CHIEF OF THE “THE WASHINGTON POST,” MATTHEW MILLER, FORMER POST,” MATTHEW MILLER, FORMER CHIEF JUSTICE OF THE JUSTICE CHIEF JUSTICE OF THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, FORMER DENTY DEPARTMENT, FORMER DENTY ASSISTANCE ATTORNEY THE HARRY ASSISTANCE ATTORNEY THE HARRY LITMAN AND MSNBC NATIONAL LITMAN AND MSNBC NATIONAL POLITICAL REPORTER PRZYBYLA. POLITICAL REPORTER PRZYBYLA. IT’S GREAT TO SEE YOU. IT’S GREAT TO SEE YOU. I WISH YOU WERE HERE AT THIS I WISH YOU WERE HERE AT THIS DESK WITH ME. DESK WITH ME. I WANT TO START OUT WITH YOU, I WANT TO START OUT WITH YOU, HARRY LITMAN, AND START OUT WITH HARRY LITMAN, AND START OUT WITH THIS QUESTION, IT SEEMS TO ME, THIS QUESTION, IT SEEMS TO ME, AND I’M NO LAWYER, IT SEEMED AND I’M NO LAWYER, IT SEEMED LIKE DONALD TRUMP MAY HAVE LIKE DONALD TRUMP MAY HAVE OPENED HIMSELF UP TO ADDITIONAL OPENED HIMSELF UP TO ADDITIONAL LEGAL EXPOSURE. LEGAL EXPOSURE. AM I RIGHT OR AM I WRONG? AM I RIGHT OR AM I WRONG?>>YOU’RE RIGHT.>>YOU’RE RIGHT. HE IS THE WORST CLIENT OF ALL HE IS THE WORST CLIENT OF ALL TIME. TIME. EVERY TIME HE OPENS HIS MOUTH, EVERY TIME HE OPENS HIS MOUTH, IT’S MORE PROBLEMS FOR HIM. IT’S MORE PROBLEMS FOR HIM. HE HEARS A WITNESS THAT MAKES HE HEARS A WITNESS THAT MAKES ALL OF THE SENSE IN THE WORLD ALL OF THE SENSE IN THE WORLD AND SDNY AND CONGRESS MIGHT BOTH AND SDNY AND CONGRESS MIGHT BOTH ASK, REALLY, MR. PRESIDENT? ASK, REALLY, MR. PRESIDENT? WHERE WERE YOU? WHERE WERE YOU? WHAT DID YOU SAY TO MICHAEL WHAT DID YOU SAY TO MICHAEL COHEN? COHEN? WHAT DID HE SAY? WHAT DID HE SAY? IS THIS THE ONLY TIME YOU HAVE IS THIS THE ONLY TIME YOU HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT PARDONS? SPOKEN ABOUT PARDONS? HE SO FAR SKATED BECAUSE OF HIS HE SO FAR SKATED BECAUSE OF HIS POSITION AS PRESIDENT HE’S BEEN POSITION AS PRESIDENT HE’S BEEN ABLE TO ALLUDE ACTUALLY ASKING ABLE TO ALLUDE ACTUALLY ASKING QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS. PERHAPS HE DOES IT AGAIN HERE. PERHAPS HE DOES IT AGAIN HERE. BUT YOU HAVE TO IMAGINE NED BUT YOU HAVE TO IMAGINE NED FLOOD AND ALL OF TRUMP’S LAWYERS FLOOD AND ALL OF TRUMP’S LAWYERS ARE CRINGING ONCE AGAIN TO HEAR ARE CRINGING ONCE AGAIN TO HEAR HIM BASICALLY ADMITTING, YES, WE HIM BASICALLY ADMITTING, YES, WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION. HAD THIS CONVERSATION. COME AND ASK ME ABOUT IT. COME AND ASK ME ABOUT IT.>>>>>>MATT MILLER, I ASK YOU,>>MATT MILLER, I ASK YOU, YOU’RE MORE OF A SCHOLAR OF YOU’RE MORE OF A SCHOLAR OF PRESIDENTIAL AND LEGAL MATTERS PRESIDENTIAL AND LEGAL MATTERS THAN I AM BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAN I AM BUT IT SEEMS TO ME IT’S POSSIBLE DONALD TRUMP IN IT’S POSSIBLE DONALD TRUMP IN TWO-US YEARS IN THE WHITE TWO-US YEARS IN THE WHITE HOUSE HAS MENTIONED THE WORD HOUSE HAS MENTIONED THE WORD PARDON IN PUBLIC MORE THAN ALL PARDON IN PUBLIC MORE THAN ALL OF OUR PREVIOUS PRESIDENTS OF OUR PREVIOUS PRESIDENTS COMBINED. COMBINED. WHAT IS THAT ABOUT? WHAT IS THAT ABOUT?>>I THINK IT’S VERY CLEARLY>>I THINK IT’S VERY CLEARLY ABOUT SENDING A MESSAGE TO ABOUT SENDING A MESSAGE TO WITNESSES AND DEFENDANTS AND WITNESSES AND DEFENDANTS AND OTHERS WHO ARE FACING THIS OTHERS WHO ARE FACING THIS DIFFICULT CHOICE ABOUT WHETHER DIFFICULT CHOICE ABOUT WHETHER TO COOPERATE WITH INVESTIGATORS TO COOPERATE WITH INVESTIGATORS AND TELL EVERYTHING THEY KNOW, AND TELL EVERYTHING THEY KNOW, POTENTIALLY IMPLICATING THE POTENTIALLY IMPLICATING THE PRESIDENT OR PRESIDENT’S FAMILY PRESIDENT OR PRESIDENT’S FAMILY OR OTHER PEOPLE CLOSE TO THE OR OTHER PEOPLE CLOSE TO THE PRESIDENT OR WHETHER TO SIT AND PRESIDENT OR WHETHER TO SIT AND NOT TALK TO THEM AND HOLD OUT NOT TALK TO THEM AND HOLD OUT UNTIL THE END OF A TRIAL OR A UNTIL THE END OF A TRIAL OR A GUILTY PLEA KNOWING THAT AT SOME GUILTY PLEA KNOWING THAT AT SOME DAY THE PRESIDENT MIGHT BE THERE DAY THE PRESIDENT MIGHT BE THERE FOR THEM. FOR THEM. I THINK THAT’S WHY HE SENT THAT I THINK THAT’S WHY HE SENT THAT MESSAGE IN PRIVATE. MESSAGE IN PRIVATE. AS YOU ALLUDE TO, IT’S BEEN AS YOU ALLUDE TO, IT’S BEEN REPORTED HIS PREVIOUS ATTORNEY REPORTED HIS PREVIOUS ATTORNEY JOHN DOWD HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH JOHN DOWD HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH MIKE FLYNN AND PAUL MANAFORT. MIKE FLYNN AND PAUL MANAFORT. IT’S WHY MAYBE HE HAD THIS IT’S WHY MAYBE HE HAD THIS DISCUSSION WITH MICHAEL COHEN. DISCUSSION WITH MICHAEL COHEN. IT WAS A REMARKABLE THING FOR IT WAS A REMARKABLE THING FOR HIM TO PUT ON THE RECORD. HIM TO PUT ON THE RECORD. NO ONE KNEW THAT UNTIL HE PUT IT NO ONE KNEW THAT UNTIL HE PUT IT OUT THERE TODAY. OUT THERE TODAY. AND I THINK IT’S WHY HE WOULD AND I THINK IT’S WHY HE WOULD HAVE SAID IT SO MUCH. HAVE SAID IT SO MUCH. WE’RE THE ONLY ONES TALKING WE’RE THE ONLY ONES TALKING ABOUT IT. ABOUT IT. IT’S NOT TRUE. IT’S NOT TRUE. HE’S TWEETED ABOUT IT. HE’S TWEETED ABOUT IT. HE BROUGHT IT UP IN OTHER HE BROUGHT IT UP IN OTHER INTERVIEWS. INTERVIEWS. IT’S BEEN A TOPIC OF IT’S BEEN A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION OFTENTIMES BROUGHT CONVERSATION OFTENTIMES BROUGHT UP BY HIM AS IT WAS IN THIS UP BY HIM AS IT WAS IN THIS TWEET TODAY. TWEET TODAY.>>HEIDI, I ASK YOU, THERE’S>>HEIDI, I ASK YOU, THERE’S REPORTING IN “THE NEW YORK REPORTING IN “THE NEW YORK TIMES” ABOUT THE FACT TRUMP’S TIMES” ABOUT THE FACT TRUMP’S LAWYERS HAVE OFFERED PARDONS OR LAWYERS HAVE OFFERED PARDONS OR DISCUSSED PARDONS WITH PAUL DISCUSSED PARDONS WITH PAUL MANAFORT AND MICHAEL FLYNN MANAFORT AND MICHAEL FLYNN PREVIOUSLY. PREVIOUSLY. THIS PARDON TALK, IT’S BEEN A THIS PARDON TALK, IT’S BEEN A CONSTANT FEATURE AND OBVIOUSLY CONSTANT FEATURE AND OBVIOUSLY ON SOME LEVEL IT’S BECAUSE ON SOME LEVEL IT’S BECAUSE THERE’S MORE LEGAL JEOPARDY AND THERE’S MORE LEGAL JEOPARDY AND MORE PEOPLE AROUND TRUMP THAT MORE PEOPLE AROUND TRUMP THAT HAS BEEN IN LEGAL TROUBLE THAN HAS BEEN IN LEGAL TROUBLE THAN ANY PRESIDENT IN HISTORY. ANY PRESIDENT IN HISTORY. BUT AS WE GET A SENSE HOW MUCH BUT AS WE GET A SENSE HOW MUCH THIS IS GOING TO BECOME PART OF THIS IS GOING TO BECOME PART OF THE FABRIC OF THE DISCUSSION, THE FABRIC OF THE DISCUSSION, ESPECIALLY IN A RELATIONSHIP ESPECIALLY IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH SOME OF THESE PEOPLE WHO WITH SOME OF THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE CONVICTED FELONS OR SOON TO ARE CONVICTED FELONS OR SOON TO BE CONVICTED FELONS, WHAT DO WE BE CONVICTED FELONS, WHAT DO WE MAKE OF ALL OF THAT AND WHERE MAKE OF ALL OF THAT AND WHERE THAT DISCUSSION IS HEADED AND THAT DISCUSSION IS HEADED AND WHAT WE SHOULD MAKE OF IT? WHAT WE SHOULD MAKE OF IT?>>I WOULD SAY THE BACKDROP TO>>I WOULD SAY THE BACKDROP TO ALL OF THIS IF I TAKE YOU BACK ALL OF THIS IF I TAKE YOU BACK TO THE SPECULATION TO WHAT WOULD TO THE SPECULATION TO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH PAUL MANAFORT IS HAPPEN WITH PAUL MANAFORT IS THERE WERE ONLY TWO POSSIBLE THERE WERE ONLY TWO POSSIBLE EXPLANATIONS TO EXPLAIN HIS EXPLANATIONS TO EXPLAIN HIS BEHAVIOR AND WHY HE WASN’T BEING BEHAVIOR AND WHY HE WASN’T BEING MORE COOPERATIVE. MORE COOPERATIVE. EVEN TO THIS DAY THE SPECIAL EVEN TO THIS DAY THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE SAID HE WAS NOT COUNSEL’S OFFICE SAID HE WAS NOT OFFERING VERY MUCH INFORMATION. OFFERING VERY MUCH INFORMATION. SO THE TWO POSSIBLE EXPLANATIONS SO THE TWO POSSIBLE EXPLANATIONS WOULD BE ONE, HE WAS EXPECTING A WOULD BE ONE, HE WAS EXPECTING A PARDON. PARDON. OR TWO, WHATEVER WOULD HAPPEN TO OR TWO, WHATEVER WOULD HAPPEN TO HIM IF HE ACTUALLY DID SING, IF HIM IF HE ACTUALLY DID SING, IF HE ACTUALLY DID TALK BECAUSE OF HE ACTUALLY DID TALK BECAUSE OF HIS CONNECTIONS TO THE RUSSIANS, HIS CONNECTIONS TO THE RUSSIANS, WOULD BE WORSE THAN WHAT IS WOULD BE WORSE THAN WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO HIM IN TERMS GOING TO HAPPEN TO HIM IN TERMS OF HIS SENTENCING. OF HIS SENTENCING. SO THE PARDONS AND PROSPECT OF SO THE PARDONS AND PROSPECT OF PARDONS HAS BEEN PART OF THE PARDONS HAS BEEN PART OF THE FABRIC FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, FABRIC FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, AND NOT JUST BECAUSE OF PAUL AND NOT JUST BECAUSE OF PAUL MANAFORT, BUT BECAUSE OF THE MANAFORT, BUT BECAUSE OF THE MESSAGE THAT IT MIGHT SEND TO MESSAGE THAT IT MIGHT SEND TO MANY OTHER POTENTIAL COOPERATING MANY OTHER POTENTIAL COOPERATING WITNESSES IN TERMS OF MICHAEL WITNESSES IN TERMS OF MICHAEL FLYNN. FLYNN. THE INVESTIGATIONS NOW ARE GOING THE INVESTIGATIONS NOW ARE GOING INTO A PHASE THOUGH, JOHN, WHERE INTO A PHASE THOUGH, JOHN, WHERE THEY’RE GOING TO BE GETTING THEY’RE GOING TO BE GETTING INFORMATION OFF OF THE HILL FROM INFORMATION OFF OF THE HILL FROM MANY OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE MANY OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE COOPERATING. COOPERATING. I JUST MET THIS MORNING WITH I JUST MET THIS MORNING WITH SOME AIDES FROM ONE OF THOSE SOME AIDES FROM ONE OF THOSE COMMUTIES COMMUTIES COMMITTEES AND THEY SAY THEY’RE COMMITTEES AND THEY SAY THEY’RE GETTING KOOMS FROM GETTING KOOMS FROM GETTING COOPERATION FROM GETTING COOPERATION FROM WITNESSES WHO ALREADY PROVIDED WITNESSES WHO ALREADY PROVIDED THAT INFORMATION TO MUELLER. THAT INFORMATION TO MUELLER. EVEN IF WE DON’T SEE THAT EVEN IF WE DON’T SEE THAT INFORMATION IN TERMS OF A FINAL INFORMATION IN TERMS OF A FINAL REPORT FROM MUELLER, IT IS BEING REPORT FROM MUELLER, IT IS BEING EXTRACTED NOW BY THESE EXTRACTED NOW BY THESE DEMOCRATIC OVERSIGHT COMMITTEES DEMOCRATIC OVERSIGHT COMMITTEES ON THE HILL. ON THE HILL.>>FILMPHIL, I WANT TO FOCUS ON>>FILMPHIL, I WANT TO FOCUS ON PARTICULAR THING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR THING ABOUT THIS COHEN TWEET, WHICH IS THE KIND COHEN TWEET, WHICH IS THE KIND OF OUT OF THE BLUENESS OF IT. OF OUT OF THE BLUENESS OF IT. IT WAS NINE DAYS AGO WHEN IT WAS NINE DAYS AGO WHEN MICHAEL COHEN TESTIFIED ON MICHAEL COHEN TESTIFIED ON CAPITOL HILL. CAPITOL HILL. OBVIOUSLY HE’S BEEN BACK AND OBVIOUSLY HE’S BEEN BACK AND THERE’S COHEN’S NEVER REALLY OUT THERE’S COHEN’S NEVER REALLY OUT OF THE NEWS, BUT WHAT IS IT YOU OF THE NEWS, BUT WHAT IS IT YOU THINK ON THE BASIS OF YOUR THINK ON THE BASIS OF YOUR REPORTING AND INTUITION THAT REPORTING AND INTUITION THAT WOULD CAUSE TRUMP ON THIS WOULD CAUSE TRUMP ON THIS PARTICULAR MORNING TO DECIDE TO PARTICULAR MORNING TO DECIDE TO GO AFTER — TO RAISE THE MICHAEL GO AFTER — TO RAISE THE MICHAEL COHEN SPECTER AGAIN? COHEN SPECTER AGAIN?>>YEAH, JOHN, WELL, THE REASON>>YEAH, JOHN, WELL, THE REASON I THINK IS BECAUSE ALL WEEK I THINK IS BECAUSE ALL WEEK WE’VE SEEN VARIOUS ALLEGATIONS WE’VE SEEN VARIOUS ALLEGATIONS BEING PRESENTED BY COHEN’S BEING PRESENTED BY COHEN’S LAWYERS AND EXPLANATIONS ABOUT LAWYERS AND EXPLANATIONS ABOUT TRUMP’S LAWYERS, INCLUDING RUDY TRUMP’S LAWYERS, INCLUDING RUDY GIULIANI IN THE MEDIA ABOUT THE GIULIANI IN THE MEDIA ABOUT THE EXTENT OF THESE PARDON EXTENT OF THESE PARDON CONVERSATIONS, WHAT EXACTLY THEY CONVERSATIONS, WHAT EXACTLY THEY WERE. WERE. EARLIER THIS WEEK MICHAEL COHEN EARLIER THIS WEEK MICHAEL COHEN WAS UP ON CAPITOL HILL IN WAS UP ON CAPITOL HILL IN CLOSED-DOOR TESTIMONY TALKING CLOSED-DOOR TESTIMONY TALKING ABOUT THESE CONVERSATIONS, ABOUT THESE CONVERSATIONS, ACCORDING TO OUR REPORTING, HE ACCORDING TO OUR REPORTING, HE WAS TELLING CONGRESSIONAL WAS TELLING CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATORS HE HAD, HAD INVESTIGATORS HE HAD, HAD NUMEROUS CONVERSATIONS ABOUT A NUMEROUS CONVERSATIONS ABOUT A PARDON THAT HAD BEEN DANGLED PARDON THAT HAD BEEN DANGLED BEFORE HIM BY TRUMP’S LEGAL BEFORE HIM BY TRUMP’S LEGAL REPRESENTATIVES, INCLUDING RUDY REPRESENTATIVES, INCLUDING RUDY GIULIANI. GIULIANI. AND SO IT’S BEEN IN THE ETHER, AND SO IT’S BEEN IN THE ETHER, EVEN THOUGH WE’RE SO REMOVED NOW EVEN THOUGH WE’RE SO REMOVED NOW FROM COHEN’S TESTIMONY AND I FROM COHEN’S TESTIMONY AND I THINK THAT’S WHY THE PRESIDENT THINK THAT’S WHY THE PRESIDENT FINALLY FELT LIKE HE WANTED TO FINALLY FELT LIKE HE WANTED TO WEIGH IN. WEIGH IN. AS THE PANEL HAS UNDERSCORED, AS THE PANEL HAS UNDERSCORED, WHAT TRUMP TWEETED IS VERY WHAT TRUMP TWEETED IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT COHEN HAS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT COHEN HAS BEEN ALLEGING ON CAPITOL HILL. BEEN ALLEGING ON CAPITOL HILL.>>Translator: IS ACTUALLY>>Translator: IS ACTUALLY TWEETING THAT HE HIMSELF HAD A TWEETING THAT HE HIMSELF HAD A CONVERSATION WITH COHEN ABOUT A CONVERSATION WITH COHEN ABOUT A PARDON, AND COHEN ASKED HIM FOR PARDON, AND COHEN ASKED HIM FOR A PARDON AND HE SAID NO. A PARDON AND HE SAID NO. THIS IS A PRESIDENT WHO’S NEVER THIS IS A PRESIDENT WHO’S NEVER BEEN KNOWN TO BE ESPECIALLY BEEN KNOWN TO BE ESPECIALLY PRECISE IN HIS RECOLLECTION OR PRECISE IN HIS RECOLLECTION OR NARRATION OF EVENTS SO I DON’T NARRATION OF EVENTS SO I DON’T KNOW IF THAT WAS THE TRUTH BUT KNOW IF THAT WAS THE TRUTH BUT IT WAS AN EXTRAORDINARY TWEET IT WAS AN EXTRAORDINARY TWEET>>HARRY, IT DOES RAISE THIS>>HARRY, IT DOES RAISE THIS ISSUE, RIGHT, THE PERSONAL ISSUE, RIGHT, THE PERSONAL NATURE SAID TRUMP HIMSELF WAS NATURE SAID TRUMP HIMSELF WAS INVOLVED IN THESE DISCUSSIONS, INVOLVED IN THESE DISCUSSIONS, IT SEEMS TO ME ONE OF THE THINGS IT SEEMS TO ME ONE OF THE THINGS YOU WOULD DO, AS YOU SAID, HE’S YOU WOULD DO, AS YOU SAID, HE’S THE WORST CLIENT IN THE WORLD THE WORST CLIENT IN THE WORLD BUT IF YOU WANT TO MAINTAIN A BUT IF YOU WANT TO MAINTAIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PLAUSIBLE CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY, CAN YOU SAY I DON’T DENIABILITY, CAN YOU SAY I DON’T KNOW WHAT MY LAWYERS WERE DOING, KNOW WHAT MY LAWYERS WERE DOING, THEY MIGHT HAVE TALKED ABOUT THEY MIGHT HAVE TALKED ABOUT PARDONS WITH THESE FOLKS. PARDONS WITH THESE FOLKS. MY LAWYERS ARE MY LAWYERS. MY LAWYERS ARE MY LAWYERS. PERSONALLY THE PRESIDENT OF THE PERSONALLY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WOULD NEVER GET UNITED STATES WOULD NEVER GET INVOLVED IN THIS. INVOLVED IN THIS. BUT INSTEAD TODAY TRUMP SEEMED BUT INSTEAD TODAY TRUMP SEEMED TO HAVE STRIP ADD WAY ANY TO HAVE STRIP ADD WAY ANY PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY ON HIS PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY ON HIS PART. PART. IT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE WHY IT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE WHY THE PRESIDENT WOULD WANT TO THE PRESIDENT WOULD WANT TO ASSERT HIMSELF PERSONALLY IN ASSERT HIMSELF PERSONALLY IN THIS DISCUSSION. THIS DISCUSSION.>>YEAH, 100%.>>YEAH, 100%. WHY TODAY? WHY TODAY? THAT PATH LIES MADNESS. THAT PATH LIES MADNESS. HE GETS AN ITCH, HE HAS TO HE GETS AN ITCH, HE HAS TO SCRATCH IT. SCRATCH IT. IT’S 3:00 A.M., AND HE JUST IT’S 3:00 A.M., AND HE JUST DOES. DOES. IT’S NOT IN HIS SELF-INTEREST, IT’S NOT IN HIS SELF-INTEREST, EXCEPT, OF COURSE, WE’VE BEEN EXCEPT, OF COURSE, WE’VE BEEN PILLARING HIM AS A CLIENT, PILLARING HIM AS A CLIENT, DESERVEDLY, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE’RE DESERVEDLY, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE’RE IN THE POLITICAL REALM. IN THE POLITICAL REALM. DID PUTTING IT OUT THERE NOW FOR DID PUTTING IT OUT THERE NOW FOR SOME REASON GIVE A LITTLE JOLT SOME REASON GIVE A LITTLE JOLT TO THE BASE THAT HE FELT HE TO THE BASE THAT HE FELT HE NEEDED, AND IS THAT THE METHED NEEDED, AND IS THAT THE METHED IN HIS MADNESS? IN HIS MADNESS? POSSIBLY. POSSIBLY.>>I WANT TO FOCUS A LITTLE ON>>I WANT TO FOCUS A LITTLE ON MANAFORT BECAUSE THERE’S BEEN A MANAFORT BECAUSE THERE’S BEEN A TON OF DISCUSSION SINCE THE TON OF DISCUSSION SINCE THE SENTENCE WAS HANDED DOWN LAST SENTENCE WAS HANDED DOWN LAST NIGHT ABOUT HOW FLAGRANT THAT NIGHT ABOUT HOW FLAGRANT THAT WAS AND THE TWO TIERS OF WAS AND THE TWO TIERS OF JUSTICE. JUSTICE. I WANT TO FOCUS FOR A SECOND ON I WANT TO FOCUS FOR A SECOND ON WHAT THE PRESIDENT’S TEAM HAS WHAT THE PRESIDENT’S TEAM HAS DIRECTLY SAID ABOUT THIS TODAY. DIRECTLY SAID ABOUT THIS TODAY. RUDY GIULIANI TODAY HAD A QUOTE RUDY GIULIANI TODAY HAD A QUOTE TO THE ASSOCIATED PRESS WHERE HE TO THE ASSOCIATED PRESS WHERE HE SAID ABOUT MANAFORT, QUOTE, I SAID ABOUT MANAFORT, QUOTE, I FEEL TERRIBLE ABOUT THE WAY FEEL TERRIBLE ABOUT THE WAY MANAFORT HAS BEEN TREATED. MANAFORT HAS BEEN TREATED. I THINK IT’S NOT AMERICAN TO I THINK IT’S NOT AMERICAN TO KEEP A MAN IN SOLITARY KEEP A MAN IN SOLITARY CONFINEMENT, TRY TO CRACK HIM. CONFINEMENT, TRY TO CRACK HIM. HE’S NOT A TERRORIST. HE’S NOT A TERRORIST. HE’S NOT AN ORGANIZED CRIMINAL. HE’S NOT AN ORGANIZED CRIMINAL. HE’S A WHITE COLLAR CRIMINAL. HE’S A WHITE COLLAR CRIMINAL. NOTHING TO ME SCREAMS MATT, MATT NOTHING TO ME SCREAMS MATT, MATT MILLER, MORE THE TWO AMERICAS MILLER, MORE THE TWO AMERICAS HERE OR TWO-TIER NATURE OF HERE OR TWO-TIER NATURE OF AMERICAN JUSTICE WE COULD HAVE A AMERICAN JUSTICE WE COULD HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH SOMEONE GUILTY CONVERSATION WITH SOMEONE GUILTY OF THE KIND OF CRIMES PAUL OF THE KIND OF CRIMES PAUL MANAFORT IS CONVICTED OF IS NOT MANAFORT IS CONVICTED OF IS NOT A SERIOUS CRIME. A SERIOUS CRIME. SO RUDY GIULIANI IS SUGGESTING SO RUDY GIULIANI IS SUGGESTING HE’S NOT A TERRORIST SO, HE’S NOT A TERRORIST SO, THEREFORE, HE’S A JAY WALKER. THEREFORE, HE’S A JAY WALKER. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE SENTENCE WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE SENTENCE ITSELF? ITSELF? AND CAST YOUR MIND FORWARD TO AND CAST YOUR MIND FORWARD TO NEXT WEEK WHEN A NEW JUDGE WILL NEXT WEEK WHEN A NEW JUDGE WILL BE LOOKING AT PAUL MANAFORT’S BE LOOKING AT PAUL MANAFORT’S OTHER CRIMES AND HAS THE OTHER CRIMES AND HAS THE POSSIBILITY OF ADDING TEN MORE POSSIBILITY OF ADDING TEN MORE YEARS ON TO HIS CUMULATIVE YEARS ON TO HIS CUMULATIVE SENTENCE. SENTENCE. SOMEWHERE FIRST, LET ME SAY SOMEWHERE FIRST, LET ME SAY SOMETHING ABOUT RUDY GIULIANI, SOMETHING ABOUT RUDY GIULIANI, IT’S KIND OF BECOME TRITE TO IT’S KIND OF BECOME TRITE TO POINT OUT WHAT A HYPOCRITE HE’S POINT OUT WHAT A HYPOCRITE HE’S BECOME AS A PROSECUTOR AT SDNY. BECOME AS A PROSECUTOR AT SDNY. BUT ONE OF THE WAY HE MADE HIS BUT ONE OF THE WAY HE MADE HIS NAME IN SDNY WAS PROSECUTING NAME IN SDNY WAS PROSECUTING PEOPLE FOR WHITE COLLAR CRIME. PEOPLE FOR WHITE COLLAR CRIME. THAT’S WHAT MADE HIM FAMOUS, THAT’S WHAT MADE HIM FAMOUS, WALKING INTO TRADING FLOORS WITH WALKING INTO TRADING FLOORS WITH HANDCUFFS. HANDCUFFS. THEY ARE SERIOUS CRIMES. THEY ARE SERIOUS CRIMES. THEY SHOULD BE PROSECUTED. THEY SHOULD BE PROSECUTED. THE ONLY PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY THE ONLY PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY WHO THINK PAUL MANAFORT WAS WHO THINK PAUL MANAFORT WAS TREATED TOO HASH,LY, NOT TOO TREATED TOO HASH,LY, NOT TOO LENIENTLY BY THE JUDGE, BUT TOO LENIENTLY BY THE JUDGE, BUT TOO HARSHLY, IS THE PRESIDENT AND HARSHLY, IS THE PRESIDENT AND HIS LEGAL TEAM. HIS LEGAL TEAM. THE PROBLEM WITH THE SENTENCE IS THE PROBLEM WITH THE SENTENCE IS TWO-FOLD. TWO-FOLD. ONE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE NATURE ONE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE NATURE OF HIS CRIME, SET ASIDE WHO HE OF HIS CRIME, SET ASIDE WHO HE IS, THE NATURE OF THE CRIME, IS, THE NATURE OF THE CRIME, TEN-YEAR CRIME SPREE HE EMBARKED TEN-YEAR CRIME SPREE HE EMBARKED ON AND SERIOUS GUILTY VERDICTS ON AND SERIOUS GUILTY VERDICTS RETURNED BY THAT JURY ON EIGHT RETURNED BY THAT JURY ON EIGHT COUNTS, OBVIOUSLY, HE WAS — HE COUNTS, OBVIOUSLY, HE WAS — HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN A MUCH SHOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN A MUCH MORE SERIOUS — NOT THE FULL 19 MORE SERIOUS — NOT THE FULL 19 TO 24 BUT SOMETHING ALONG 10, 12 TO 24 BUT SOMETHING ALONG 10, 12 YEARS WOULD HAVE BEEN JUSTIFIED. YEARS WOULD HAVE BEEN JUSTIFIED. BUT THEN WHEN YOU COMPARE IT TO BUT THEN WHEN YOU COMPARE IT TO EVERYONE ELSE, IT DRIVES HOME EVERYONE ELSE, IT DRIVES HOME THIS PROBLEM. THIS PROBLEM. IT ISN’T UNIQUE TO PAUL MANAFORT IT ISN’T UNIQUE TO PAUL MANAFORT THAT WEALTHY, WHITE, POWERFUL THAT WEALTHY, WHITE, POWERFUL WHITE CRIME DEFENDANTS ARE JUST WHITE CRIME DEFENDANTS ARE JUST NOT TREATED THE SAME AS POOR NOT TREATED THE SAME AS POOR DEFENDANTS, BLACK AND BROWN DEFENDANTS, BLACK AND BROWN DEFENDANTS, GUILTY OF NOT JUST DEFENDANTS, GUILTY OF NOT JUST NONVIOLENT CRIMES BUT VIOLENT NONVIOLENT CRIMES BUT VIOLENT CRIMES LIKE DRUG DISTRIBUTION. CRIMES LIKE DRUG DISTRIBUTION.>>I WANT TO ASK MATT THIS>>I WANT TO ASK MATT THIS QUESTION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS QUESTION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS NEXT. NEXT. MANAFORT IS OPEN TO POTENTIAL OF MANAFORT IS OPEN TO POTENTIAL OF BEING PROSECUTED BY NEW YORK BEING PROSECUTED BY NEW YORK STATE IN ADDITION TO BEING STATE IN ADDITION TO BEING PROSECUTED, THE CRIMES HE’S PROSECUTED, THE CRIMES HE’S ALREADY BEEN PROSECUTED FOR. ALREADY BEEN PROSECUTED FOR. AND YOU HAVE AMY BERMAN JACKSON, AND YOU HAVE AMY BERMAN JACKSON, THE JUDGE WHO WILL RULE ON HIS THE JUDGE WHO WILL RULE ON HIS SENTENCING NEXT WEEK. SENTENCING NEXT WEEK. IF YOU’RE JUDGE BERMAN JACKSON, IF YOU’RE JUDGE BERMAN JACKSON, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT WHAT WHAT ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT WHAT JUST HAPPENED? JUST HAPPENED? AND DOES IT PLAY ANY ROLE IN AND DOES IT PLAY ANY ROLE IN WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THE WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THE SENTENCE YOU DECIDE TO HAND DOWN SENTENCE YOU DECIDE TO HAND DOWN NEXT WEEK? NEXT WEEK?>>THAT’S AN INTERESTING AND>>THAT’S AN INTERESTING AND TRICKY QUESTION. TRICKY QUESTION. MUELLER’S SENTENCING MEMORANDUM MUELLER’S SENTENCING MEMORANDUM DROPS A FOOTNOTE THAT ANSWERS DROPS A FOOTNOTE THAT ANSWERS THAT QUESTION AND POINTS TO YES. THAT QUESTION AND POINTS TO YES. THE GUIDELINES SUGGEST SHE CAN THE GUIDELINES SUGGEST SHE CAN GO UP TO TEN YEARS BASED ON HIS GO UP TO TEN YEARS BASED ON HIS OVERALL CONDUCT, IN OTHER WORDS, OVERALL CONDUCT, IN OTHER WORDS, AVERTING TO THE EASTERN DISTRICT AVERTING TO THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA CONDUCT. OF VIRGINIA CONDUCT. WOULD I HAVE THOUGHT THOUGH SHE WOULD I HAVE THOUGHT THOUGH SHE WOULD HAVE TRIED TO KEEP IT WOULD HAVE TRIED TO KEEP IT INDEPENDENT AND WOULD BE — INDEPENDENT AND WOULD BE — SHE’S A TOUGH SENTENCER BUT SHE’S A TOUGH SENTENCER BUT WOULD BE LOOKING AT SOMETHING WOULD BE LOOKING AT SOMETHING LIKE SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS. LIKE SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS. BUT I JUST DO WANT TO POINT OUT, BUT I JUST DO WANT TO POINT OUT, IT WAS AN EGREGIOUS DEPARTURE IT WAS AN EGREGIOUS DEPARTURE BUT THE SYSTEM IS NOT DONE WITH BUT THE SYSTEM IS NOT DONE WITH PAUL MANAFORT AND PROBABLY NEVER PAUL MANAFORT AND PROBABLY NEVER WILL BE. WILL BE. THERE IS NOT JUST THIS COMING THERE IS NOT JUST THIS COMING UP, ALSO AS YOU SAY THE UP, ALSO AS YOU SAY THE POSSIBILITY OF NEW YORK, THREE POSSIBILITY OF NEW YORK, THREE OTHER STATES INCLUDING RHODE OTHER STATES INCLUDING RHODE ISLAND AND ILLINOIS, COULD ISLAND AND ILLINOIS, COULD POTENTIALLY INDICT HIM AND I POTENTIALLY INDICT HIM AND I THINK ARE BEGINNING TO LOOK AT THINK ARE BEGINNING TO LOOK AT THAT HARD BECAUSE OF THIS THAT HARD BECAUSE OF THIS SENTENCE. SENTENCE. IS HE BY NO MEANS OUT OF THE IS HE BY NO MEANS OUT OF THE WOODS. WOODS.>>PHIL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT>>PHIL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP SEIZED ON TODAY PRESIDENT TRUMP SEIZED ON TODAY AS THE MOST PREDICTABLE THING IN AS THE MOST PREDICTABLE THING IN THE WORLD, BESIDES LIKE THE SUN THE WORLD, BESIDES LIKE THE SUN RISING IN THE EAST, WAS THE RISING IN THE EAST, WAS THE NOTION TRUMP WOULD SEIZE ON THE NOTION TRUMP WOULD SEIZE ON THE NOTION THE JUDGE SAID THERE WAS NOTION THE JUDGE SAID THERE WAS NO COLLUSION. NO COLLUSION. IT’S NOT REALLY WHAT THE JUDGE IT’S NOT REALLY WHAT THE JUDGE SAID. SAID. TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. I KNOW COLLUSION WILL BE RINGING I KNOW COLLUSION WILL BE RINGING IN YOUR EARS PROBABLY UNTIL THE IN YOUR EARS PROBABLY UNTIL THE DAY YOU DIE GIVEN HOW MANY TIMES DAY YOU DIE GIVEN HOW MANY TIMES TRUMP SAID IT, BUT TALK ABOUT TRUMP SAID IT, BUT TALK ABOUT THAT MISCHARACTERIZATION OF THE THAT MISCHARACTERIZATION OF THE FACTS. FACTS.>>IT’S BEEN RINGING IN OUR EARS>>IT’S BEEN RINGING IN OUR EARS FOR A COUPLE YEARS NOW BUT THAT FOR A COUPLE YEARS NOW BUT THAT WAS A GROSS MISCHARACTERIZATION WAS A GROSS MISCHARACTERIZATION OF WHAT JUDGE ELLIS SAID OF WHAT JUDGE ELLIS SAID YESTERDAY. YESTERDAY. WHAT HE SAID WAS PAUL MANAFORT WHAT HE SAID WAS PAUL MANAFORT WAS IN THAT COURTROOM FOR CRIMES WAS IN THAT COURTROOM FOR CRIMES THAT DO NOT HAVE TO DO WITH THE THAT DO NOT HAVE TO DO WITH THE INVESTIGATION OF COLLUSION INVESTIGATION OF COLLUSION BETWEEN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND BETWEEN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND RUSSIA. RUSSIA. SO THE MANAFORT CRIMES WERE SO THE MANAFORT CRIMES WERE SEPARATE FROM THE TRUMP SEPARATE FROM THE TRUMP COLLUSION/RUSSIA INVESTIGATION. COLLUSION/RUSSIA INVESTIGATION. BUT HE DID NOT AT ALL ARRIVE AT BUT HE DID NOT AT ALL ARRIVE AT A JUDGMENT ABOUT RUSSIAN A JUDGMENT ABOUT RUSSIAN COLLUSION AND DID NOT GIVE THE COLLUSION AND DID NOT GIVE THE PRESIDENT A CLEAN BILL OF HEALTH PRESIDENT A CLEAN BILL OF HEALTH AS THE PRESIDENT CLAIMED ON THE AS THE PRESIDENT CLAIMED ON THE SOUTH LAWN OF THE WHITE HOUSE SOUTH LAWN OF THE WHITE HOUSE TODAY. TODAY.>>HEIDI, I WANT TO READ YOU A>>HEIDI, I WANT TO READ YOU A TWEET FROM ADAM SCHIFF, CHAIRMAN TWEET FROM ADAM SCHIFF, CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE OF THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE THAT AGREES WITH PHIL COMMITTEE THAT AGREES WITH PHIL RUCKER’S ANALYSIS AND GOES A RUCKER’S ANALYSIS AND GOES A LITTLE FURTHER. LITTLE FURTHER. HERE’S THE TWEET — THE HERE’S THE TWEET — THE STATEMENT BY PAUL MANAFORT’S STATEMENT BY PAUL MANAFORT’S LAWYER AFTER AN ALREADY LENIENT LAWYER AFTER AN ALREADY LENIENT SENTENCE, REPEATING THE SENTENCE, REPEATING THE PRESIDENT’S MANTRA OF NO PRESIDENT’S MANTRA OF NO COLLUSION, WAS NO ACCIDENT. COLLUSION, WAS NO ACCIDENT. IT WAS THE DELIBERATE APPEAL FOR IT WAS THE DELIBERATE APPEAL FOR A PARDON, ONE INJUSTICE MUST NOT A PARDON, ONE INJUSTICE MUST NOT FOLLOW ANOTHER. FOLLOW ANOTHER. SO SCHIFF IS BASICALLY SAYING SO SCHIFF IS BASICALLY SAYING FIRST OF ALL, WHAT PHIL JUST FIRST OF ALL, WHAT PHIL JUST SAID, THE JUDGE DIDN’T SAY NO SAID, THE JUDGE DIDN’T SAY NO COLLUSION, THE LAWYER SAID NO COLLUSION, THE LAWYER SAID NO COLLUSION. COLLUSION. AND THAT WAS INTENDED FOR AN AND THAT WAS INTENDED FOR AN APPEAL FOR A PARDON. APPEAL FOR A PARDON. TALK ABOUT ADAM SCHIFF’S GAME TALK ABOUT ADAM SCHIFF’S GAME HERE AND HOW THIS ACTION CAN HERE AND HOW THIS ACTION CAN SHIFT TO CAPITOL HILL ON THE SHIFT TO CAPITOL HILL ON THE MANAFORT FRONT. MANAFORT FRONT.>>RIGHT.>>RIGHT. BASED ON OUR REPORTING THE BASED ON OUR REPORTING THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE IS INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE IS ACTUALLY GETTING A LOT OF ACTUALLY GETTING A LOT OF INFORMATION IN COORDINATION WITH INFORMATION IN COORDINATION WITH OTHER COMMITTEES, LIKE THE OTHER COMMITTEES, LIKE THE FINANCIAL SERVICES COMMITTEE. FINANCIAL SERVICES COMMITTEE. IF THEY EVENTUALLY GET TRUMP’S IF THEY EVENTUALLY GET TRUMP’S TAX RETURNS, THEY WILL GET A LOT TAX RETURNS, THEY WILL GET A LOT MORE INFORMATION FROM THAT BUT MORE INFORMATION FROM THAT BUT THEY’RE GOING HARD AT THE ISSUE THEY’RE GOING HARD AT THE ISSUE OF COLLUSION. OF COLLUSION. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY’RE THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY’RE GOING TO BE EXAMINING. GOING TO BE EXAMINING. AND UNLIKE IN THE SENATE AND UNLIKE IN THE SENATE COMMITTEE, WHERE YOU DID HAVE COMMITTEE, WHERE YOU DID HAVE SOME — A LITTLE BIT OF PARTISAN SOME — A LITTLE BIT OF PARTISAN BREAKDOWN THERE, ON THE HOUSE BREAKDOWN THERE, ON THE HOUSE SIDE, THERE’S GOING TO BE MANY SIDE, THERE’S GOING TO BE MANY MORE WITNESSES NOW COMING IN, MORE WITNESSES NOW COMING IN, INCLUDING ALANLEN WEISSELBERG TH INCLUDING ALANLEN WEISSELBERG TH THEY ALREADY HAVE COOPERATING THEY ALREADY HAVE COOPERATING AND BASED ON MY REPORTING WITH AND BASED ON MY REPORTING WITH JUDICIARY SOURCES, THEY’RE JUDICIARY SOURCES, THEY’RE BIFURCATING A LOT OF THIS AND BIFURCATING A LOT OF THIS AND THEY’RE TAKING IT VERY SLOW THEY’RE TAKING IT VERY SLOW BECAUSE THEY DON’T WANT IT TO BE BECAUSE THEY DON’T WANT IT TO BE SEEN AS OVERREACH. SEEN AS OVERREACH. THEY DON’T WANT IT TO BE SEEN AS THEY DON’T WANT IT TO BE SEEN AS JUST GOING AFTER THE PRESIDENT JUST GOING AFTER THE PRESIDENT WILLY-NILLY PARTISANLY. WILLY-NILLY PARTISANLY. BUT THERE IS GOING TO BE AN BUT THERE IS GOING TO BE AN OBSTRUCTION ELEMENT OF THIS OBSTRUCTION ELEMENT OF THIS THROUGH THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. THROUGH THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. ON INTELLIGENCE, THE COLLUSION ON INTELLIGENCE, THE COLLUSION PART OF THIS STILL HAS MANY MORE PART OF THIS STILL HAS MANY MORE CHARACTERS TO PLAY OUT. CHARACTERS TO PLAY OUT. AGAIN TO REPEAT MYSELF FROM THE AGAIN TO REPEAT MYSELF FROM THE FIRST PART, EVEN THOUGH — EVEN FIRST PART, EVEN THOUGH — EVEN IF THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION IF THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION NEVER BECOMES PUBLIC, THIS WILL NEVER BECOMES PUBLIC, THIS WILL ALL ULTSIMATELY BECOME PUBLIC ALL ULTSIMATELY BECOME PUBLIC THROUGH THE INTELLIGENCE THROUGH THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE. COMMITTEE. I THOUGHT IT WAS NOTABLE, JOHN, I THOUGHT IT WAS NOTABLE, JOHN, FOR INSTANCE ONE OF THE FOR INSTANCE ONE OF THE CHARACTERS SCHIFF WANTS TO BRING CHARACTERS SCHIFF WANTS TO BRING BEFORE HIS COMMUNITY IS FELIX BEFORE HIS COMMUNITY IS FELIX SATER, WHO IS VERY CLOSE TO THE SATER, WHO IS VERY CLOSE TO THE TRUMP FAMILY BUT ALSO VERY CLOSE TRUMP FAMILY BUT ALSO VERY CLOSE TO THE RUSSIAN MAFIA. TO THE RUSSIAN MAFIA. IT IS NOTABLE SCHIFF WANTED TO IT IS NOTABLE SCHIFF WANTED TO BRING HIM INITIALLY IN PUBLIC, BRING HIM INITIALLY IN PUBLIC, WHICH MEANS THEY’VE ALREADY GOT

100 thoughts to “Trump’s Latest Admission: He Had An Explicit Discussion With Cohen About A Pardon | Deadline | MSNBC”

  1. The_Criminally_Insane_Moronic_Traitor is now on the down-escalator to prison. You can't fix Moron, but you can imprison Traitor.

  2. President Tr–eason word is NOT believable when the LIES already top 8,000 and counting daily.
    IMPEACHMENT is the only remedy for an ILLEGITIMATE CORRUPT SOCIOPATHIC potus with delusions of a DICTATORSHIP.
    The COMPLETE END of the GOP is the only remedy for an inept complicit self serving TREASONOUS organization.

  3. ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️Bernie Sanders 2020👍🏼❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

  4. Oh really Do you serve your nation favourable justice or fair justice in accordance to law ….your Muller really there to work up you r investigation or having fun all the time to just get stories and make money and property through cybercrime by using photos and me too movement stories by giving coverup to the influential and powerful politicians lawyers and all fraudsters in public positions….oh shut up …ask him to stop covering his face for dirtying me in public…he will pay for it…or I will all you guys in media….enough you made made many channels many businesses and private media houses and foundations for your self interest and selfish motives….Plz stop !!!!Gangsters and mafia kings…for no reason put innocent people like us and behind bars by discredited and demoralizing tactics….moroons….you know why your dirty 3 rd class investigation going so slow because your all busy in making money and businesses through wrong doings or backdoor and back door deals as all of you are involved as a network 100percent by all means…or more than 2years yet can't find any thing shows influence and misuse of power intentionally by all means by the influential….

  5. I'm not too sure about the fine details of the US system so can someone answer this: if Trump pardons a person is the decision final? Can congress protest/veto/overturn a pardon? If not, it seems like a measure befitting of a dictatorship.

  6. Manafort got the rich white guy discount. And now, he'll spend a few months in a facility that is very much like a reasonably comfortable hotel, only with guards and a fence. And he'll share time with inmates remarkably similar to him, who no doubt had "blameless lives" [except for their years of lying, cheating, and stealing.]

  7. If Donald Trump told me the sun was shining, I'd go look out a window and see for myself before believing it.

  8. mainstream news sucks!:
    why didn't they IMMEDIATELY correct the record?? because the other lie: THE JUDGE NEVER SAID THERE WAS "NO RUSSIAN COLLUSION!* trump is such a narcissist..that particular court case was not about Russian collusion. that's not what Manafort was there for! he will have to back to court again re: other charges but trump just totally made up that [email protected] and MSNBC is totally irresponsible by not calling trump out on that TOTAL BOLD-FACED LIE RIGHT AWAY, not just at the end..why can't this news agency get their 'ish together?? they seem to want to prove they can't have 2 thoughts or discussion in the same conversation…really disappointing…again..they should have led with that, too, instead of saving it to the end, giving it so little attention..i get it's difficult to keep up with trump's constant lying but both issues are important.

    and so disgusting for Giuliani to say that because he's white collar criminal he shouldn't be given a harsh sentence.

  9. 10:00 Rudy Giuliani looks just like the penguin character in The Batman movie played by Danny Devito.

  10. Trump is being specious here. There was no collusion in THIS CASE of Paul Manafort's. That's because this case was about Manafort's financial fraud on his own behalf and not about Manafort's collusion work for Trump's campaign. That comes next.

  11. Trump can't pardon Manafort because a pardon for Manafort is an admission of Manafort's guilt and Manafort automatically gives up his 5th Amendment rights by accepting a pardon and then he would have to testify against the president

  12. Finally someone says it! Manafort CAN"T TALK….he was sent directly over by Putin….you don't flip on Putin! If Manafort ever told his whole truth….he's dead.

  13. Trump always extracts Non-Disclosure Agreements from everyone who has anything to do with him (including his own family). Does this play any role in how much his close supporters refuse to say anything about him, even under oath?

  14. Having a discussion about a pardon with a potential witness or criminal, is an obstruction of justice or witness tampering! …… Which is an actual crime!!

  15. Is their proof or is it one liars word versus another liars word. I don't know what is evidence anymore, I get all hyped up with these news stories and nothing materializes.

  16. If you're having trouble figuring out if Trump is lying, just check and see if he's tweeting, or if his lips are moving. if the answer is yes to either, then YES. He's lying.

  17. when Cohen said he hadnt asked for a pardon and wouldnt accept one, that was from his written introduction.

    that introduction must have been vetted by Lanny Davis, so if there is any accusation of perjury, I think Lanny is liable,
    why didnt he censor that?

    saying he wouldnt accept one is technically true, because its in the future. Also technically he may have asked "would you give a pardon if I got incarcerated?", technically that isnt asking for a pardon, but is asking whether a pardon would be given.
    a very subtle difference.

    eg if I say "will you give me a christmas present this year?"

    I am not actually asking for a christmas present!

    I am just asking whether you intend to give me one, if you say "no", then I can say "ok, and I am not giving you one either"

    this is a semantic nuance. Now if Trump asked Cohen "will you give me a christmas present this year", Cohen would understand that to mean "I want you to give me a christmas present this year",

    because Trump was his tyrant boss. But the servant, Cohen, cannot command indirectly like that.

    Cohen is being a true lawyer by very carefully choosing his words.

  18. Obvious Trump is trying to get ahead of this story. No one will be surprised that there is likely a tape, text, or message of Trump involved in offering a Pardon. Trump would have never admitted this conversation or communication by him unless there was or he believed there was corroboration of this.

  19. Manafort basically skipped out of the courtroom with a "rich, white guy sentence"! If his skin were any shade of brown, he'd have received a 20 year smack down.
    Judge Ellis needs to be out looking for a new robe so he'll look good for his upcoming SCOTUS photos. Massively suckng up in public is how people get the Don's nod of approval. 47 months, ridiculous!

  20. How do we as Americans allow anyone who has not paid taxes in 20 + years and has abused the sanctity of the bankruptcy laws control how our tax dollars are spent.if you do not pay your fair share of taxes you should not be able to tell we the American people how our tax dollars are spent…

  21. It is really starting to become obvious that if you have money in the USA, then you are entitled to a different type of justice. However, if you are middle class or poor, you are up Sh_t Creek without a paddle. (That is stating the bleeding obvious). So much for swamp drainage.

  22. you are supposed to criminally check president before they go in whitehouse once they win the primary that should be the law turnover all papers etc

  23. Hey trump, cohen had his fingers crossed behind his back…he was only drawing you out to admit you discussed pardons to obstruct justice…DOH

  24. Dumpf: I did not collude with Russia. I work for a boss who happens to be Russian. I take my orders from him.

  25. America is without shame, a total eunuch. Every time dumpf crosses the line, all Americans say is that this is the new normal. How can it be normal if is detrimental to the country.

  26. This is how Hitler rose to power. The Germans just ignored what was going on and did not confront his activities.

    Wake up America, we cannot afford a second holocaust!

  27. Trump said it because in the reality he prefers, he is in control and is in the power position at all times. It's an admission that in his delusional world, this is how it happened. Whether or not it happened in OUR reality is a different story.

  28. Trump is the real-life version of Wile E. Coyote. He tries to change reality by drawing a tunnel on the side of a rock, watches the roadrunner dash through it, then runs smack to the wall because he forgot it's just a drawing. The weird thing is no one stops him and he comes back next episode and does it again.

  29. problem is if you think Trump is telling the truth and did have a conversation about a parden, then that means cohen lied to congress AGAIN!

  30. Trump sure seems to like the word “collusion.” Does he think every trial of his cohorts, even ones like Manafort’s, which was solely about his string of financial fraudulent practices over the years, exonerates him from collusion?

    When the trial judge strictly prohibits any mention of Russia and publicly states that the trial had nothing to do with “collusion” how does Trump twist that into him being “honored” that the judge had claimed there was “no collusion.” Only a malignant narcissist could hear the words he wants to hear then try to tell everyone else that they heard the same thing as he did.

    Admittedly Manafort’s lawyer got on his hind legs and announced to an audience of one that the trial, which had nothing to do with collusion, didn’t find any evidence of collusion. A blatant “ we’ve said what you wanted, now get your pardon pen ready.”

    Let’s see if they are so gung ho after Judge Jackson, who didn’t preside as simply another defence lawyer, passes her sentence. Let’s hope she has more respect for the law than Judge Ellis has displayed.

  31. Now I really believe Cohen. Trump lies everyday. And Cohen personally asked him for a pardon and he told Cohen no. Hahahahahahahahahahahahanah😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  32. It's his "less than subtle" way of admitting, or at least leaving it on the public record, that he had a discussion about a pardon with and for Cohen – mainly because he's found out from …… that there's evidence of such a discussion.

  33. Paul Manafort IS a terrorist, this is how treason and financial conspiracies with foreign militant adversaries work. You don’t have to blow people up to be a terrorist…

  34. Wait a minute!
    Cohen say's he never asked Trump for a pardon.
    Trump day's he did.
    Now you are turning it like Trump lied????
    What is wrong with you people?
    You can't even remember what lies you said yesterday, so today you have a bunch of new ones???
    TRUMP 2020!

  35. Tough time for Manafort, is he joking. He wasn't having a tough time doing the crime. Court and trial is not supposed to be fun and nice.

  36. He doesn't care that he's "the worst client", doesn't care about admitting these things openly, because he knows that neither jack nor $#!+ is going to happen to him as a result. Nothing is going to happen to him while in office and if is is prosecuted when he leaves office the sentence will probably be 36 months (poor Manafort). Maybe. And probably just house arrest at Mar-a-Lago.

  37. I'm starting to believe Trump will win another four years in 2020. Cause nobody has the balls, or brains,to get that Fu:::ER. I can't believe he is still in office mucking around. All I hear is blah,blah, freaking blah… From Canada and Scotland

  38. i'm actually glad all of this is happening in this white house for the simple fact it exposes all the bigots and racist that's been hiding in this country amazing what happens when the president of the free world spews hate all of his roaches follow him with the same how shameful is that so shameful and embarrassing for this country what lies will you tell your children I wonder what excuses will you use for number 45 's behavior hmmm teachable moment don't blow it like you did with the lies you told about History in general

  39. What I don't understand about federal republics like the USA, is why people get tried and convicted of crimes when they are friends of the dictator. Why bother? Save time and money and just let the people pardon him without all the trouble of a pretend trial.

  40. America has been haemorrhaging world respect since Trump was voted POTUS… Until he is removed your condition is considered critical.

  41. Then why does LIAR Trump PRETEND to not know what being said, HE SAYS HE BARELY/DOESNT WATCH. #YEAHRIGHT

  42. Trump doesn't care about Paul Manafort any more than he cares about Cohen.
    The "pardon talk" is a signal to Manafort that Trump will protect him when the Mueller report comes down. Remember that Manafort was at the Trump Tower meeting in 2016 ant that, as the campaign chair, Manafort would be have been privy to planning & executing any acts of collusion with foreign agents.
    The "pardon talk" is also a signal, to us, that there is something for Mueller to find and Trump wants to shut Manafort's mouth.

  43. How much is this President going to get away with. When is someone going to hold his feet against the fire? As long as he get's away with his lies he get's more comfortable with it. He has got to let it be known that the majority of the country and the other allies have his number and coming out telling a big lie does not mean that the people are so stupid they believe everything he says. Please get the end game going!

  44. Oh please get rid of this inarticulate lier. How long will it take until the American public wake up to this con man. He is absolutely disgusting.

  45. Liars MSNBC talking about a liar Cohen and we have to believe him because of why all he ever did was a lie

  46. Of course he dangles pardons….the reason?….they dont cost Trump any money !!…. But….this is what will happen from here forward…. Dangle the pardon…..Manafort stays quiet about the many things he can co-operate on , and now that he is sentenced to jail time…..Trump will feel safer that Manafort is actually locked up!….The turn of events which took place today with regard to Pardon proof Manafort….changes the game, now…Manafort has nothing to lose…and nothing to do with his time in the 10 foots square world…will become bitter with time , and once he wakes up out of his shock and realizes the pardon strategy was flawed at best….and a bit too obvious to say the least…..which will also bring up the question in the public's mind regarding the use of pardons…..they are called pardons for an obvious reason, it is a last resort effort allowing the president to right an injustice, or reward an outstanding act….but not as a tool to use for the benefit of an associate who actually plead guilty…..!!…or the obvious , as in this case…to reward an associate for keeping his silence….
    Soon …once Manafort has enough of weiners and beans on thursdays…..and his bitterness spills in the form of co-operating with some agency….or the usual book deal….and once the garbage starts to flow about the real Trump…..you will hear Trump say…"Manafort is a felon and cant be trusted…you'll hear it He is a Felon !…..we will surely read it in a few hundred tweets , followed by….he is trying to get some deal to get out of prison !! This is a well known jewish word…maybe Yiddish…….CHUTZPAH !

  47. Have you noticed how much shithole talks about Russia and everybody lying but himself instead of taking care of our country tweets about everybody lying. That's called guilt. A guilty conscience. And that guilty conscience will take the king of Shitholes down! Keep tweeting dirty Bird.

  48. Cohen gave a further explanation in his closed session with the house that was reported to satisfy members… Just sayin'

  49. No surprise from Mafia president "Omertà " Trump! Cohen goes to jail for doing Don Trumpleone's commands while Trumpleone walks free. Justice for the rich and the poor in the Barbarian States of Stupidity are not equal. Just look at the snakes in suits!

  50. Trump is simply trying to stiff Cohen. Very transparent and clumsy of him. He, Trump, hopes to completely discredit Cohen, to turn negative focus from himself onto Cohen. Another lowlife trick, another dishonest deflection from the president. Trump is capable of prosecuting any deceptions to, at this time, keep himself off center stage – finally.

  51. I agree, the only individuals who have pity for Manafort are the President and Guliani… I would like to see Manafort receive a punishment more in line with the crimes he was convicted of.

  52. So a person is caught, prosecuted, found guilty of serious, multiple crimes , sent to prison and on a whim can be pardoned by the President. How does he justify that decision. No wonder your country is sick

  53. If DOJ offered Manafort's family protective services/witness prosec, because fears that his family would be harmed, given that he has worked closely with some extremely dangerous individuals/organizations…perhaps he would more "cooperative".

  54. You just CANNOT write this stuff up. Here is a president, surrounded by his special supportive aids, all of them in legal trouble, as well as the president himself. and then you have that president, in the middle of all of these legal issues, with a total PARDONING power which supersedes ALL JUSTICE. And it is incontestable. Think about that. It's almost as if all of these people in legal trouble facing justice are gong to magically be freed by the main target and not a single human being, or court, or jury can dispute that power. THIS is insane.

  55. To claim that pardons were NEVER thought about is unbelievable. I thought about pardons several times today while watching their faces and listening to their words on TV.
    ONE LIAR QUOTES the OTHER LIAR as if either one of them was PROOF of no collusion.

  56. Wow!!!! Trump does NOT want to be President!!!! The King of the USA won't let him go….he is in some.kind.of.trouble.

    Lesson:. Shut your mouth about Mr. Barack Obama.

  57. You should look into 'rich men's prisons' and see what justice + – $ really means. Try "otisville" for one. Very un-American I believe, but then, I'm poor.

  58. Can you imagine– working for this fool…or even just being around him for that matter–always having to worry if YOU'RE gonna catch a case 😬😲😵

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