PBS NewsHour Weekend full episode April 15, 2018

PBS NewsHour Weekend full episode April 15, 2018


>>Sreenivasan: ON THIS EDITION
FOR SUNDAY, APRIL 15:
ONGOING REACTIONS TO THE MISSILE
STRIKES IN SYRIA.
WASHINGTON READIES ITSELF FOR
JAMES COMEY’S BOOK TOUR.
AND, A PHOTOGRAPHER’S LEGACY.
NEXT ON PBS NEWSHOUR WEEKEND.
FROM THE TISCH WNET STUDIOS AT
LINCOLN CENTER IN NEW YORK,
HARI SREENIVASAN.
>>Sreenivasan: GOOD EVENING AND
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
LESS THAN TWO DAYS AFTER
TARGETED AIRSTRIKES ON SYRIA,
THE UNITED STATES IS PREPARING
TO IMPOSE ECONOMIC SANCTIONS
AGAINST SUPPORTERS OF SYRIAN
CHEMICAL WEAPONS PROGRAMS.
SYRIA IS CONDUCTING ATTACKS ON
REBEL FORCES, AND THE U.S.
AMBASSADOR TO THE UNITED NATIONS
SAYS THERE IS A CLEAR MESSAGE:
>>I THINK ONE THING THAT WE
HOPE ASSAD GOT THE MESSAGE ON IS
THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY WILL
NOT ALLOW CHEMICAL WEAPONS TO
COME BACK INTO OUR EVERYDAY
LIFE.
AND THE FACT THAT HE WAS MAKING
THIS MORE NORMAL AND THAT RUSSIA
WAS COVERING IT UP ALL OF THAT
HAS TO STOP.
>>Sreenivasan: HALEY SAID THE
NEW ECONOMIC SANCTIONS WILL
TARGET RUSSIA AND COMPANIES THAT
ARE DEALING WITH EQUIPMENT
RELATED TO SYRIA’S CHEMICAL
WEAPONS.
IN SYRIA, THE OPPOSITION-LINKED
WHITE HELMETS GROUP REPORTED
THAT THE SYRIAN REGIME RENEWED
AIR RAIDS IN REBEL-HELD AREAS.
AND SYRIAN STATE MEDIA REPORTED
THAT PRESIDENT BASHAR AL-ASSAD
MET WITH RUSSIAN OFFICIALS IN
DAMASCUS.
ASSAD SAID FRIDAY’S AIR STRIKES
WERE ACCOMPANIED BY A “CAMPAIGN
OF MISDIRECTION AND LIES”
AGAINST SYRIA AND RUSSIA, AND
THE TWO COUNTRIES ARE CONTINUING
TO WORK TOGETHER ON FIGHTING
TERRORISM AND ECONOMIC
COOPERATION.
A STATEMENT FROM THE KREMLIN
SAID THAT RUSSIAN PRESIDENT
VLADIMIR PUTIN AND IRAN’S
PRESIDENT HASSAN ROUHANI HAD A
TELEPHONE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE
U.S. ALLIED AIR STRIKES IN
SYRIA.
PUTIN STRESSED THAT IF SUCH
ACTIONS CONTINUE, THEN “THIS
WILL INEVITABLY LEAD TO CHAOS IN
INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS.”
AND PRESIDENT TRUMP HAD A NEW
COMMENT ABOUT SYRIA TODAY,
DEFENDING HIS USE OF THE TERM
“MISSION ACCOMPLISHED” TWEETING,
“IT IS SUCH A GREAT MILITARY
TERM, IT SHOULD BE BROUGHT BACK.
USE OFTEN!”
THE PRESIDENT ALSO USED TWITTER
ON ANOTHER SUBJECT– HIS DISDAIN
FOR FORMER F.B.I. DIRECTOR JAMES
COMEY, WHOSE BOOK “A HIGHER
LOYALTY” COMES OUT THIS WEEK.
COMEY’S FIRST INTERVIEW WILL AIR
TONIGHT ON ABC.
IN A CLIP RELEASED BY ABC, COMEY
ADDRESSED THE QUESTION OF
WHETHER HIS ASSUMPTION THAT
HILLARY CLINTON WAS GOING TO WIN
THE 2016 ELECTION FACTORED INTO
HIS DECISION TO PUBLICLY
DISCLOSE THAT THE F.B.I. WAS
REVIEWING EMAILS IN CONNECTION
TO THE CLINTON PROBE.
>>I DON’T REMEMBER CONSCIOUSLY
THINKING ABOUT THAT, BUT IT MUST
HAVE BEEN BECAUSE I WAS
OPERATING IN A WORLD WHERE
HILLARY CLINTON WAS GOING TO
BEAT DONALD TRUMP, AND SO I’M
SURE THAT IT WAS A FACTOR.
LIKE I SAID, I DON’T REMEMBER
SPELLING IT OUT, BUT IT HAD TO
HAVE BEEN, THAT SHE’S GOING TO
BE ELECTED PRESIDENT AND IF I
HIDE THIS FROM THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE, SHE’LL BE ILLEGITIMATE
THE MOMENT SHE’S ELECTED.
>>Sreenivasan: MR. TRUMP
ATTACKED COMEY FOR HIS HANDLING
OF THE CLINTON INVESTIGATION,
“IN OTHER WORDS, HE WAS MAKING
DECISIONS BASED ON THE FACT THAT
HE THOUGHT SHE WAS GOING TO WIN,
AND HE WANTED A JOB.
SLIMEBALL!”
IN ANOTHER TWEET, MR. TRUMP
REFUTED COMEY’S CLAIM THAT THE
PRESIDENT ASKED FOR LOYALTY IN A
PRIVATE DINNER MEETING,
TWEETING: “I NEVER ASKED COMEY
FOR PERSONAL LOYALTY.
I HARDLY EVEN KNEW THIS GUY.
JUST ANOTHER OF HIS MANY LIES.
HIS “MEMOS” ARE SELF SERVING AND
FAKE!”
COMEY, WHO SERVED UNDER
PRESIDENT TRUMP, AS WELL AS
UNDER OBAMA AND GEORGE W. BUSH,
TWEETED: “THREE PRESIDENTS ARE
IN MY BOOK: TWO HELP ILLUSTRATE
THE VALUES AT THE HEART OF
ETHICAL LEADERSHIP; ONE SERVES
AS A COUNTERPOINT.”
FROM THE MISSILE STRIKES IN
SYRIA TO THE FORTHCOMING BOOK
FROM JAMES COMEY, TO LEGAL
TROUBLES FOR HIS PERSONAL
ATTORNEY MICHAEL COHEN,
PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS HAD YET
ANOTHER COMPLICATED WEEKEND.
JOINING ME FROM SANTA BARBARA
FOR SOME PERSPECTIVE ON THESE
MATTERS IS NEWSHOUR WEEKEND
SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT JEFF
GREENFIELD.
JEFF, LET’S START WITH THE
AIR STRIKE IN SYRIA.
WIN FOR THE PRESIDENT?
>>WHEN A PRESIDENT USES FORCE,
THE INITIAL REACTION ALMOST
ALWAYS IS FAVORABLE.
WHAT HAPPENS LATER IS WHERE THE
TEST COMES IN.
SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE
SAYING, “OKAY, YOU PUNISHED
SYRIA FOR THE USE OF CHEMICAL
WEAPONS.
NOW WHAT?
DO YOU STILL MEAN TO TAKE
AMERICAN FORCES OUT OF SYRIA
AS YOU SAID A WEEK AGO?”
YOU HAVE A VERY PROMINENT
NEOCONSERVATIVE, ELLIOT COHN,
A VERY HAWKISH GUY, ALSO VERY
HOSTILE TO TRUMP, SAYING THE
LIMITED NATURE OF THIS STRIKE,
SAYS THAT YOU WEREN’T WILLING TO
CONFRONT PUTIN, YOU SHOULD
HAVE DONE MUCH MORE.
BUT AS I SAY, I HAVE A FEELING
THAT THE HALF LIFE OF THESE
STRIKES, ASSUMING IT’S A
ONE-OFF IS FAIRLY LIMITED.
I THINK AS YOU ALLUDED TO IN THE
INTRODUCTION, THERE ARE MANY
MORE ISSUES ON THE TABLE THAT’S
GOING TO AFFECT THE PRESIDENT’S
APPROVAL RATINGS THAN THIS.
>>Sreenivasan: ALL RIGHT, ONE
OF THOSE ISSUES IS THE
INTERGALACTIC BOOK TOUR BEING
LAUNCHED BY JAMES COMEY THAT
STARTS ON NETWORK TV TONIGHT.
HOW SIGNIFICANT IS IT?
>>TO BE HONEST, WE’RE REALLY
NOT GOING TO KNOW THE FULL
FALLOUT UNTIL WE HEAR THE
ALLEGEDLY EYEBROW-RAISING
STATEMENTS THAT COMEY WILL MAKE
ON THE INTERVIEW LATER TONIGHT.
WHAT’S INTERESTING IS THAT HIS
APPEARANCE AND HIS VOICES, HIS
WORDS, WHICH CLEARLY ARE AIMED
MOSTLY AT TRUMP, HAVE NOT
ENTIRELY SOOTHED THE FEELINGS OF
DEMOCRATS WHO STILL POINT TO
WHAT HE DID IN THE DAYS JUST
BEFORE THE ELECTION, ANNOUNCING
THE REOPENING OF INVESTIGATIONS
INTO HILLARY CLINTON’S E-MAIL.
THEY STILL HOLD HIM RESPONSIBLE
FOR THE LOSS OF THAT ELECTION
AND IN FACT IT HAS BEEN
SUGGESTED THAT HIS STATEMENT,
“WELL, YOU KNOW, I SAW FROM THE
POLLS THAT HILLARY CLINTON WAS
LIKELY TO WIN AND I DIDN’T WANT
HER ADMINISTRATION TO COME INTO
POWER UNDER A CLOUD,” ALSO
RAISES A QUESTION, IS IT REALLY
THE F.B.I. DIRECTOR’S BUSINESS
TO GAUGE THE POLITICAL
CONSEQUENCES OF HIS ACTION,
THERE HAVE BEEN SOME FAIRLY
STRONG PUSH BACK AGAINST HIM AND
NOT JUST FROM THE TRUMP
SUPPORTERS WHO BASICALLY WANT
COMEY SENT TO DEVIL’S ISLAND FOR
REST OF HIS LIFE.
>>Sreenivasan: ANOTHER ISSUE
THAT HAPPENED THIS WEEK, THE
WHITE HOUSE IS SAID TO BE MORE
CONCERNED ABOUT THE RAID ON
LAWYER MICHAEL COHEN’S OFFICE
THAN ANYTHING ELSE THAT’S
GOING ON WITH THE SPECIAL
COUNSEL, WHY?
>>BECAUSE FOR TEN YEARS,
MICHAEL COHEN HAS BEEN THE
GO TO GUY FOR THE PRESIDENT,
NOT JUST ON LEGAL MATTERS, BUT
ALL KINDS OF FINANCIAL AND
PERSONAL DIFFICULTIES.
TO GET THE STUFF THAT THE U.S.
ATTORNEY’S OFFICE THAT THE FEDS
GOT FROM HIS OFFICE, THEY HAD TO
CONVINCE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT
OFFICIALS AND A MAGISTRATE THAT
THERE WAS PROBABLE CAUSE TO
BELIEVE IN CRIMINAL CONDUCT.
AND IN GATHERING UP THE
CORRESPONDENCE AND THE TAPES
AND THE HARD DRIVES, THERE NOW
IS IN THE U.S. ATTORNEY’S
OFFICE, YEARS WORTH OF
INFORMATION THAT COULD AFFECT
TRUMP, NOT JUST IN THE RUSSIAN
COLLUSION CASE, BUT ACROSS HIS
ENTIRE PUBLIC LIFE.
THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A RED
LINE.
THE PRESIDENT WARNED MUELLER,
DON’T GET INTO THIS, THAT IS A
RED LINE.
THAT’S WHY THE TEMPERATURE ON
THIS ISSUE KEEPS RISING.
EVERYTIME I THINK IT CAN’T GET
ANY HOTTER IT GETS HOTTER.
>>Sreenivasan: LOTS OF THE
PRESIDENT’S SUPPORTERS ARE
SAYING, HERE IS THE SOLUTION,
FIRE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, FIRE
FIRE ROD ROSENSTEIN, GET RID OF
MUELLER, STOP THIS TRAIN.
>>EXCEPT THAT YOU ALSO HAVE
AMONG REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS,
THE REVERSE MESSAGE.
YOU HAVE AN ALMOST A
PLEADING QUALITY TO SOME OF
THE STATEMENTS BY SENATOR ORRIN
HATCH AND LINDSEY GRAHAM, DON’T
FIRE MUELLER, DON’T FIRE
ROSENSTEIN, IT WILL BE SUICIDAL.
YOU HAVE CONGRESSMAN TREY GOWDY
WHO WAS VERY TOUGH ON SECRETARY
CLINTON A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO
SAYING, YOU KNOW, WHAT, MUELLER
AND THE U.S. ATTORNEYS HAVE
DONE EVERYTHING BY THE BOOK,
LAY OFF.
AND THAT CLASH, BETWEEN SOME
OF THE PRESIDENT’S MOST ARDENT
SUPPORTERS AND THE
CONGRESSIONAL LEADERSHIP MAKES
FOR A REALLY SHARP CONTRAST ON
WHAT THEY WANT THE PRESIDENT TO
DO.
>>Sreenivasan: ALL RIGHT,
NEWSHOUR WEEKEND’S JEFF
GREENFIELD JOINING US FROM
CALIFORNIA.
THANKS SO MUCH.
>>SURE.
>>Sreenivasan: TODAY MARKS THE
FIFTH ANNIVERSARY OF THE BOSTON
MARATHON BOMBING.
FAMILY MEMBERS OF VICTIMS,
SURVIVORS, AND OFFICIALS
GATHERED TO LAY WREATHS AT THE
SITE OF THE TWO EXPLOSIONS NEAR
THE MARATHON FINISH LINE.
CHURCH BELLS RANG, AND PEOPLE
THROUGHOUT THE REGION
PARTICIPATED IN VOLUNTEER AND
SERVICE EVENTS TO HONOR THE
VICTIMS AND FIRST RESPONDERS AS
PART OF WHAT IS NOW KNOWN AS ONE
BOSTON DAY.
THE 122nd RUNNING OF THE
BOSTON MARATHON TAKES PLACE
TOMORROW.
WITH 22 SALMONELLA ILLNESSES
REPORTED, A MIDWEST COMPANY,
ROSE ACRE FARMS, IS VOLUNTARILY
RECALLING MORE THAN 200 MILLION
EGGS THIS WEEKEND.
THE POTENTIALLY CONTAMINATED
EGGS CAME FROM A FARM IN NORTH
CAROLINA AND WERE SOLD IN NINE
STATES IN STORES AND RESTAURANTS
UNDER MULTIPLE BRAND NAMES.
A COMPLETE LIST IS ONLINE AT THE
FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION’S
WEBSITE, fda.gov.
STARBUCK’S C.E.O. KEVIN JOHNSON
IS APOLOGIZING FOR THE ARREST OF
TWO AFRICAN AMERICAN MEN WAITING
IN ONE OF THE COFFEE-CHAIN’S
PHILADELPHIA STORES.
HE’S CALLING THE INCIDENT
“REPREHENSIBLE.”
CELL PHONE VIDEO SHOWS POLICE
CONFRONTING THE TWO MEN AFTER
THE STORE MANAGER CALLED 9-1-1
YESTERDAY.
THE MANAGER REPORTEDLY ASKED THE
TWO UNIDENTIFIED MEN TO LEAVE
AFTER THEY ASKED TO USE THE
RESTROOM BUT HAD NOT PURCHASED
ANYTHING.
THE TWO MEN SAID THEY WERE
WAITING FOR A FRIEND AND
DECLINED TO LEAVE.
PHILADELPHIA’S POLICE
COMMISSIONER RICHARD ROSS
DEFENDED THE OFFICERS.
>>THEY WERE CALLED THERE, FOR A
SERVICE, AND THAT SERVICE HAD TO
DO WITH QUELLING A DISTURBANCE,
A DISTURBANCE THAT HAD TO DO
WITH TRESPASSING.
THESE OFFICERS DID ABSOLUTELY
NOTHING WRONG.
>>Sreenivasan: THEIR FRIEND
ARRIVED JUST BEFORE THE MEN WERE
HANDCUFFED AND TAKEN AWAY.
BOTH MEN WERE HELD FOR EIGHT
HOURS AND THEN RELEASED.
>>Sreenivasan: WHEN FACEBOOK
C.E.O. MARK ZUCKERBERG TESTIFIED
BEFORE CONGRESS THIS PAST WEEK,
THERE WERE MANY UNANSWERED
QUESTIONS, INCLUDING WHY USERS
CAN’T ALWAYS REMOVE DATA, WHY
AND HOW FACEBOOK IS TRACKING
NON-USERS OF THE SITE, AND WHAT
THE COMPANY CONSIDERS PRIVATE
INFORMATION.
THE “NEW YORK TIMES” LEAD
CONSUMER TECHNOLOGY WRITER BRIAN
X. CHEN TOOK A LOOK AT WHAT
INFORMATION FACEBOOK RETAINED
ABOUT HIM, AND WAS SURPRISED BY
WHAT HE FOUND, AS HE PUT IT, IN
A WORD:” YIKES.”
HE JOINS ME NOW FROM SAN
FRANCISCO.
SO WHAT DID YOU FIND?
>>SO, YOU KNOW, I WAS EXPECTING
THIS TO NOT BE SURPRISING OR
INTERESTING AT ALL.
I DON’T REALLY USE FACEBOOK VERY
OFTEN.
I DON’T REALLY POST VERY MUCH, I
DON’T REALLY CLICK ADS.
MY PROFILE IS PRETTY SLIM.
SO WHEN I OPENED IT, IT KIND OF
JUST BLEW UP IN MY FACE, THERE’S
THIS LIST OF 500 DIFFERENT
ADVERTISERS THAT HAD MY CONTACT
INFORMATION.
MOST OF THOSE ADVERTISERS I HAD
NEVER HEARD OF.
THERE WAS A LIST OF FRIENDS THAT
I HAD DELETED OVER THE PAST 14
YEARS, MORE THAN 100 PEOPLE.
THE OTHER THINGS I NOTICED WAS
THERE WAS A COMPLETE LOG IN
HISTORY AND THE HISTORY OF EVERY
TIME I OPENED THE FACEBOOK APP,
INCLUDING WHICH DEVICE I USED
AND WHAT DAY IT WAS AND
SOMETIMES THE LOCATION WAS TIED
TO THAT INFORMATION.
SO YOU CAN SEE A PRETTY DETAILED
HISTORY OF HOW AND WHEN AND
WHERE I WAS USING FACEBOOK.
>>Sreenivasan: WHAT ABOUT THE
UNFRIENDED LIST?
THAT’S A LITTLE BIZARRE.
THE PEOPLE YOU HAVE ACTIVELY
UNFRIENDED WERE STILL ON A LIST
SOMEWHERE AND YOU COULDN’T DO
ANYTHING ABOUT THAT?
>>YEAH, SO I HAD OVER 100
PEOPLE THAT I HAD UNFRIENDED AND
THE DATE I UNFRIENDED THEM.
THEIR EXPLANATION WAS THEY HAVE
A FEATURE CALLED “ON THIS DAY,”
WHICH IS A TOOL TO HELP PEOPLE
REMINISCE ON PAST MEMORIES.
THE REASON THEY KEEP THE REMOVED
FRIENDS LIST, IS SO THEY DON’T
SURFACE MEMORIES OF THOSE
FRIENDS THAT YOU REMOVED,
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU
PROBABLY HATE THEM, OR NEVER
WANT TO TALK TO THEM OR SEE THEM
AGAIN, YOU KNOW?
I STILL JUST FOUND IT AT ODDS
WITH MARK ZUCKERBERG’S
STATEMENT THIS WEEK, WHICH
IS THAT ANYTHING YOU DELETE IS
DELETED FOR GOOD.
>>Sreenivasan: LET’S TALK A
LITTLE BIT ALSO ABOUT HOW THEY
ACQUIRE INFORMATION.
ON YOUR WEBSITE, ACCOMPANYING
YOUR STORY, THERE WAS A VIDEO BY
ONE OF YOUR COLLEAGUES, KEVIN
ROOSE, THAT LOOKED AT WHAT YOU
BUY AS A CATEGORY OF
INFORMATION THAT FACEBOOK TRIES
TO GATHER DATA ON.
LET’S TAKE A LOOK AT THAT CLIP.
>>BUT WHAT MOST PEOPLE DON’T
REALIZE IS THAT THEY HAVE WAYS
OF TRACKING YOUR OFFLINE
PURCHASES AS WELL.
FOR MANY YEARS, FACEBOOK HAS HAD
PARTNERSHIP WITH DATA BROKERS
THAT COLLECTED INFORMATION
ABOUT PEOPLE’S PURCHASES.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU BUY A
BURRITO WITH YOUR CREDIT
CARD, FACEBOOK COULD KNOW ABOUT
THAT TRANSACTION, MATCH IT WITH
A CREDIT CARD THAT YOU’VE ADDED
TO FACEBOOK OR FACEBOOK
MESSENGER, AND START SHOWING YOU
ADS FOR INDIGESTION MEDICINE.
>>Sreenivasan: ALL RIGHT, SO
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I DON’T
THINK MOST PEOPLE RECOGNIZE,
IS THAT THEY DON’T NECESSARILY
HAVE TO BE A FACEBOOK USER.
THERE IS STILL A VAULT OF
INFORMATION BEING GATHERED ABOUT
THEM BY THIS COMPANY, IN
ADDITION TO ALL THESE OTHER
COMPANIES THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE
BUSINESS OF GATHERING DATA ABOUT
US.
>>YES, AND IT’S GENERALLY
TRUE THAT PEOPLE WHO DON’T USE
USE FACEBOOK, THERE’S
INFORMATION COLLECTED
ABOUT THEM AS WELL, ESPECIALLY
USING THESE TOOLS CALLED WEB
TRACKERS, WHICH FOLLOW YOUR WEB
BROWSING ACTIVITIES, AND COLLECT
INFORMATION ON THINGS LIKE YOUR
I.P. ADDRESS, POTENTIALLY YOUR
CONTACT INFORMATION, IF YOU FILL
OUT A FORM AND THINGS LIKE THAT
AND ADVERTISERS ARE ABLE TO USE
THAT TO BUILD A PROFILE ON YOU.
>>Sreenivasan: WITH THE
INFORMATION THAT’S BEEN REVEALED
IN THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS AND
MONTHS, HOW SHOULD WE BE BETTER
FACEBOOK USERS?
>>DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT.
I’M JUST KIDDING.
I THINK THERE ARE A NUMBER OF
THINGS YOU CAN DO TO MINIMIZE
THE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION
THAT’S COLLECTED ABOUT YOU.
YOU CAN RUN THESE WEB TRACKER
BLOCKERS AND USE BROWSERS THAT
ARE MORE SAFELY GUARDING YOUR
PRIVACY.
LIKE THE FIREFOX FOCUS BROWSER
FOR EXAMPLE, TRACKER BLOCKER
IS LIKE, THERE IS ONE CALLED
DISCONNECT.ME IS QUITE
EFFECTIVE.
BEYOND THAT I WOULD PROBABLY
TWEAK MY PRIVACY SETTINGS ON
FACEBOOK TO SHARE AS LITTLE BIT
ABOUT YOURSELF AS YOU CAN
PUBLICLY, AND KEEP IN MIND
THAT ANYTHING YOU UPLOAD ONTO
FACEBOOK JUST MIGHT STAY THERE
FOREVER.
BECAUSE CLEARLY THEY DON’T SEEM
TO DELETE THINGS THAT YOU
REMOVE.
>>Sreenivasan: WE SHOULD
MENTION AND DID YOU SO IN YOUR
ARTICLE AS WELL.
FACEBOOK IS NOT ALONE IN DOING
THIS.
GOOGLE IS ANOTHER COMPANY
THAT HAS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT
VAULT OF INFORMATION ON YOU.
>>SO FACEBOOK IS REALLY JUST
THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG RIGHT?
SO GOOGLE HAS WAY MORE
ADVERTISEMENTS AND TRACKERS
RUNNING ACROSS THE WEB THAN
FACEBOOK.
I THINK OUT OF THE MILLION OF
TOP WEBSITES, 75% OF THEM ARE
RUNNING GOOGLE ADS AND TRACKERS
VERSUS 25% FOR FACEBOOK.
>>Sreenivasan: AND WHAT IS THE
JUSTIFICATION THAT THESE
COMPANIES ARE LIKELY TO GIVE,
FOR TRACKING USERS AT THIS
GRANULAR LEVEL?
WHAT DOES IT HELP THEM DO?
>>THE SIMPLEST EXPLANATION IS
IT HELPS THEM SERVE TARGET
ADVERTISING, AND I THINK THE
GENERAL INDUSTRY EXPLANATION
IS JUST THAT SIMPLY IS
TARGET ADVERTISING IS A GOOD
THING FOR THE USER AND OF COURSE
FOR THE AD BUSINESS, SO I THINK
THEY’RE TRYING TO MAKE THE BEST
OF BOTH WORLDS.
>>Sreenivasan: ALL RIGHT,
BRIAN CHEN OF THE “NEW YORK
TIMES” JOINING US FROM SAN
FRANCISCO TONIGHT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>>THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
>>Sreenivasan: THE ART OF
PHOTOGRAPHY HAS UNDERGONE A
RADICAL TRANSFORMATION IN THE
LAST SEVERAL DECADES, WITH
TRADITIONAL FILM GIVING WAY TO
DIGITAL, AND SPARKLING IMAGES
CREATED AND SHARED IN AN INSTANT
FROM THE PHONE IN YOUR POCKET.
BUT THERE ARE SOME PHOTOGRAPHERS
WHO REMAIN CONVINCED THAT THE
OLD WAYS ARE WORTH PRESERVING.
ONE OF THEM IS OREGON’S
CHRISTOPHER BURKETT, WHO WORKS
SLOWLY AND PATIENTLY TO CREATE
SOME OF THE HIGHEST RESOLUTION
PHOTOGRAPHS EVER MADE.
NEWSHOUR WEEKEND SPECIAL
CORRESPONDENT JOANNE ELGART
JENNINGS HAS OUR STORY.
>>Reporter: FROM BLUEBERRY
FIELDS IN MAINE TO SWIRLING
VERATRUM PLANTS IN ALASKA.
TO A LONE COTTONWOOD TREE IN
UTAH AND RESPLENDENT LEAVES AT
SUNSET IN HIS NATIVE OREGON.
CHRISTOPHER BURKETT HAS BEEN
PHOTOGRAPHING THE AMERICAN
LANDSCAPE FOR OVER FOUR DECADES.
HE AND HIS WIFE RUTH HAVE LUGGED
THEIR CAMERA GEAR ACROSS ALL 50
STATES.
>>WHAT WE USUALLY DO IS WE GO
TO A PLACE THAT LOOKS LIKE IT
HAS PHOTOGRAPHIC POTENTIAL.
AND THEN WE STAY THERE UNTIL WE
DON’T SEE ANY PICTURES.
AND THAT MIGHT BE HALF AN HOUR
OR THAT MIGHT BE A WEEK.
>>Reporter: ON THIS DAY, THAT
WON’T BE NECESSARY BECAUSE WE’RE
JUST IN THEIR BACKYARD IN
MILWAUKIE, OREGON.
BURKETT IS DEMONSTRATING HIS
EIGHT-BY-TEN CAMERA.
IT’S THE SAME TYPE ANSEL ADAMS
FAVORED FOR HIS LANDSCAPE
PHOTOGRAPHY.
BURKETT SAYS IT PROVIDES THE
ULTIMATE IN IMAGE QUALITY.
>>IT IS AWKWARD.
IT’S HEAVY.
IT’S A STRUGGLE WITH DEPTH OF
FIELD, A STRUGGLE WITH WIND
MOTION.
BUT IF YOU GET AN IMAGE YOU
REALLY HAVE SOMETHING REALLY IN-
DEPTH TO WORK WITH.
>>Reporter: WHEN BURKETT LOOKS
THROUGH HIS LENS, HE SAYS THE
WORLD HE SEES IS ONE OF
INDESCRIBABLE BEAUTY.
>>IF YOU ARE REALLY TRYING TO
WORK WITH PHOTOGRAPHY YOU FIND
OUT REAL RAPIDLY THAT SEEING
THINGS AND PHOTOGRAPHING THEM
CAN BE QUITE DIFFERENT.
AND IN FACT, YOU HAVE AN IMAGE
THAT IS FROM THAT VIEWPOINT OF
THE CAMERA IS ACTUALLY HIGHER
RESOLUTION THAN YOU NORMALLY
EXPERIENCE THE WORLD FROM THAT
VIEWPOINT ON THAT ANGLE.
SO YOU HAVE ESSENTIALLY A
CERTAIN ELEMENT OF I CAN’T
REALLY CALL A SUPER REALISM
BECAUSE IT’S REAL BUT IT’S MORE
REAL THAN WHAT WE NORMALLY SEE.
>>Reporter: HE SAYS HE WANTS TO
MAKE BOTH THE PHYSICAL AND THE
ETHEREAL ACCESSIBLE.
>>TO ME, AGAIN THAT’S THE WHOLE
POINT OF DOING IT IS TO JUST NOT
JUST TO PRESENT A PRETTY PICTURE
BUT TO PRESENT SOMETHING THAT
SHOWS PEOPLE SOMETHING THAT
MAYBE THEY HAVEN’T SEEN OR
EXPERIENCED AND SOMETHING REALLY
WORTHWHILE.
>>Reporter: LIGHT AND
LUMINOSITY ARE CRITICAL ELEMENTS
OF BURKETT’S WORK.
>>THAT’S WHAT PHOTOGRAPHY IS
ALL ABOUT IS WRITING WITH LIGHT
AND WHEN YOU GO UP TO THE PRINT,
I WANT LIGHT TO COME OUT.
YOU DON’T HAVE TO GO FIND IT;
IT’S COMING OUT.
WHEN I’M LOOKING AT A SCENE, I
KNOW WHAT I’M SEEING, BUT THEN I
LOOK TO SEE WHERE THE LIGHT IS
COMING FROM AND WHAT THAT COLOR
OF LIGHT IS AND MANY TIMES IN
PHOTOGRAPHS WHAT MAKES THINGS
COME ALIVE ARE OPPOSITE COLORS
ILLUMINATING THE SCENE BECAUSE
YOU GET MORE SHAPE AND MORE
COLOR DIFFERENTIATION.
♪ ♪ ♪
>>Reporter: FOR BURKETT,
PHOTOGRAPHY IS NOT JUST AN
ARTISTIC, BUT A SPIRITUAL
EXPERIENCE THAT’S INFORMED BY
HIS RELIGIOUS FAITH.
AS A YOUNG MAN HE SPENT SEVEN
YEARS AS A BROTHER IN THE
EASTERN ORTHODOX CHURCH.
>>I WOULD COME OUT OF CHURCH
SOMETIMES AFTER COMMUNION
SERVICE AND I WOULD SEE LIGHT IN
THE WORLD YOU KNOW REALLY TRULY
SEE LIGHT IN THE WORLD.
AND I KNEW IT WAS REAL AND IF IT
WAS REAL THEN I FIGURED MAYBE
THERE WAS SOME WAY I COULD TRY
TO PHOTOGRAPH THAT.
>>Reporter: BURKETT HAS ALSO
STUDIED METEOROLOGY, GEOLOGY,
AND FUNCTIONS OF THE HUMAN EYE,
ALL TO ADVANCE HIS PHOTOGRAPHIC
SKILLS.
BUT CAPTURING THE IMAGES IS JUST
ONE PART OF THE PROCESS.
BURKETT IS ONE OF A HANDFUL OF
PHOTOGRAPHERS PRINTING FROM
COLOR TRANSPARENCY FILM ONTO A
NOW DISCONTINUED PAPER CALLED
CIBACHROME.
>>AND IT’S THE ONLY PAPER THAT
WAS EVER MADE THAT HAD THE DYES
IN THE PAPER WHEN IT WAS MADE.
THE PROCESSING TAKES AWAY ALL
THE UNWANTED DYE AND YOU’RE LEFT
WITH THE IMAGE ITSELF WHICH IS
COMPLETELY STABLE BECAUSE
THERE’S NO CHEMICAL RESIDUE AND
THERE’S JUST DYES IN THE PAPER.
>>Reporter: CIBACHROME WAS
FIRST SOLD IN THE 1960S.
AS PHOTOGRAPHY SHIFTED FROM
USING ANALOG FILM TO DIGITAL
IMAGE SENSORS, MANY PROFESSIONAL
PHOTOGRAPHERS ABANDONED THE
TECHNIQUE, BUT BURKETT CONTINUED
TO EMBRACE IT.
IN 2011, WHEN THE COMPANY
STOPPED MAKING CIBACHROME,
BURKETT BOUGHT A TEN-YEAR SUPPLY
OF THE PAPER.
IT’S AMAZING THAT EVERYTHING IS
IN FOCUS.
IT’S LIKE YOU’RE BRINGING US
THERE.
HOW DO YOU GET THAT DEPTH?
YOU CAN SEE THE BOTTOM OF THE
WATER THERE.
>>CIBACHROME HAS THAT DEPTH TO
THE IMAGE WHERE I DON’T THINK
ANY OTHER PRINT MATERIAL WOULD
HAVE THAT KIND OF NOT JUST
LUMINOSITY BUT IT ALMOST SEEMS
PHYSICALLY DEEP.
I’VE HAD PEOPLE AT GALLERY
OPENINGS EVEN KIND OF GO LIKE
THIS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVEN’T
GLUED SOMETHING ON THE TOP OF A
PRINT.
>>Reporter: THESE DAYS, BURKETT
SPENDS MOST OF HIS TIME FOCUSED
ON PRINTING IN HIS STUDIO.
HE WALKED US THROUGH THE
ELABORATE PROCESS.
ONE STEP IS CALLED MASKING.
>>WE MAKE A BLACK AND WHITE
NEGATIVE AND THIS IS GOING TO BE
SANDWICHED WITH THIS AND THIS IS
GOING TO DETERMINE THE OVERALL
CONTRAST WITH THE PRINT.
>>Reporter: THEN HE ADJUSTS THE
COLOR.
>>WHEN YOU GET EXACTLY THE
RIGHT COLOR BALANCE, AND THEN
EVEN THE SLIGHT OPPOSITE COLORS
SAY IN THE VEINS OF GREEN ON A
GREEN LEAF WILL START TO POP YOU
MIGHT SAY OR BECOME MORE
LUMINOUS.
>>Reporter: AND THAT IS WHEN
YOU KNOW YOU’VE GOT IT?
>>AND THAT IS WHEN YOU KNOW YOU
HAVE IT.
>>Reporter: BUT IT’S THE NEXT
STEP THAT BURKETT SAYS IS THE
MOST CRUCIAL.
>>AS LIGHT IS BEING PROJECTED
ONTO THE PAPER I AM WITHHOLDING
LIGHT WITH MY DODGING TOOLS
WHICH IS GOING TO DARKEN THOSE
AREAS AND I HAVE TO KEEP THE
ITEMS MOVING TO GET A SMOOTH
EDGE SO THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF
THE DARKENING OF LITTLE BRIGHT
AREAS.
>>Reporter: THE PROCESS IS THEN
REVERSED WITH A TOOL THAT ALLOWS
IN MORE LIGHT AND BRIGHTENS
CERTAIN AREAS OF THE IMAGE.
IT’S AN EXACTING DANCE,
PRECISELY CHOREOGRAPHED TO A
SCORE WHICH BURKETT ARRANGES
SPECIFICALLY FOR EACH PRINT.
>>YOU HAVE TO PLAN IT OUT AHEAD
OF TIME WHERE ONE GOES IN FIRST,
THEN THE OTHER ONE GOES IN,
WHILE THIS IS PART WAY THERE,
THEN YOU MOVE IT TO THE OTHER
ONE, THEN BOTH OF THEM HERE AND
BOTH OF THEM THERE.
>>Reporter: HOW IMPORTANT IS
TIMING IN THIS PROCESS?
>>IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
JUST IN THE DODGING A HALF A
SECOND DIFFERENCE PLUS OR MINUS
AND THE PRINT IS NO GOOD JUST IN
ONE LITTLE AREA.
>>Reporter: IT USUALLY TAKES
BURKETT ABOUT EIGHT HOURS TO
MAKE ALL ADJUSTMENTS HE NEEDS TO
PERFECT AN IMAGE.
AND WHEN IT IS FINALLY FINISHED.
>>YOU TAKE THE PRINT LIKE THIS
AND TAKE IT OVER HERE VERY
CAREFULLY.
>>Reporter: BURKETT IS KEENLY
AWARE THAT HE HAS A LIMITED
SUPPLY OF CIBACHROME PAPER,
WHICH DEGRADES OVER TIME.
SO HE’S RACING THE CLOCK, TRYING
TO PRINT AS MANY IMAGES AS HE
CAN BEFORE THE CHEMICALS AND
PAPER LOSE THEIR EFFECTIVENESS.
>>I’M STILL FIGURING OUT HOW
MANY DIFFERENT IMAGES I WANT TO
PRINT AS KIND OF A LEGACY OF MY
WORK.
AND THERE ARE MANY TIMES I’M
PRINTING IMAGES NOW AND CERTAIN
SIZES AND I KNOW THAT THAT’S THE
LAST TIME I’M GOING TO PRINT
THOSE IN THAT SIZE.
SO IT’S KIND OF A GRADUAL
WINDING DOWN.
>>Reporter: WHILE BURKETT SAYS
HE HAS ENORMOUS RESPECT FOR THE
WORK OTHERS CREATE WITH DIGITAL
PHOTOGRAPHY, ONCE HE RUNS OUT OF
HIS PRINTING PAPER, HE’LL HANG
UP HIS CAMERA.
>>I ALSO REALIZE THERE’S GOING
TO BE ONE DAY WHEN I LEAVE THE
DARK ROOM AND I TURN OFF THE
LIGHTS AND THAT’S THE LAST TIME
I’LL BE IN THERE, SO THAT’S A
DIFFICULT THING BECAUSE I LOVE
WHAT I DO.
AND GOING OUT AND PHOTOGRAPHING
IS ONE THING, BUT SPENDING TIME
BRINGING THE LIGHT OUT OF THESE
IMAGES TO SHARE THEM WITH OTHER
PEOPLE IS REALLY WHAT IT’S ALL
ABOUT.
>>THIS IS PBS NEWSHOUR WEEKEND,
SUNDAY.
>>Sreenivasan: IN HUNGARY
YESTERDAY, TENS OF THOUSANDS OF
PROTESTERS DEMANDED A NEW
ELECTION AFTER PRIME MINISTER
VIKTOR ORBAN WON A THIRD TERM IN
A LANDSLIDE VICTORY LAST WEEK.
ANTI-GOVERNMENT PROTESTERS SAY
THE CURRENT ELECTORAL RULES ARE
UNFAIR, AND CALLED FOR A BALLOT
RECOUNT AND NEW ELECTORAL
SYSTEM.
CURRENT ELECTORAL RULES GAVE
ORBAN’S RIGHT-WING, POPULIST
PARTY A SUPERMAJORITY IN
HUNGARY’S NATIONAL ASSEMBLY,
EVEN THOUGH IT WON ONLY AROUND
50% OF THE VOTE.
ORBAN CAMPAIGNED AGAINST
MIGRANTS AND PROMISED
SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN HIS NEXT
GOVERNMENT.
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS ALSO
PROTESTED IN BARCELONA, SPAIN
TODAY, URGING THE RELEASE OF
CATALAN PRO-INDEPENDENCE LEADERS
BEING HELD IN PRISON.
NINE CATALAN SEPARATISTS ARE
AWAITING TRIAL FOR THEIR ROLES
IN A FAILED BREAKAWAY ATTEMPT
LAST YEAR.
SECESSIONIST LAWMAKERS IN THE
NORTHEASTERN SPANISH REGION HELD
AN AD-HOC REFERENDUM ON
INDEPENDENCE LAST OCTOBER,
DEFYING COURT ORDERS.
PROTESTERS SAY SPAIN IS
VIOLATING THE RULE OF LAW BY
IMPRISONING SO-CALLED POLITICAL
PRISONERS.
SPAIN CLAIMS THE LEADERS ARE NOT
POLITICAL PRISONERS BECAUSE THEY
VIOLATED THE CONSTITUTION.
AND IN MYANMAR, THE FIRST
ROHINGYA REFUGEES ARE BEING
REPATRIATED AFTER MONTHS OF
NEGOTIATIONS.
FIVE MEMBERS OF A ROHINGYA
FAMILY UNDERWENT INTENSE
SCRUTINY AT ONE OF TWO RECEPTION
CENTERS.
THEY WERE GIVEN A FORM OF
IDENTIFICATION, BUT NOT
CITIZENSHIP.
THE FIRST REPATRIATION COMES
DESPITE UNITED NATIONS’ WARNINGS
THAT IT IS NOT SAFE FOR THE
REFUGEES TO RETURN HOME.
AS MANY AS 700,000 MUSLIM
ROHINGYAS FLED TO NEIGHBORING
BANGLADESH TO ESCAPE MILITARY
LED KILLINGS, RAPE, AND ARSON IN
BUDDHIST-LED MYANMAR.
IN JANUARY, MYANMAR AND
BANGLADESH AGREED TO COMPLETE A
VOLUNTARY REPATRIATION OF
ROHINGYA REFUGEES WITHIN TWO
YEARS.
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>>Sreenivasan: FINALLY, FORMER
FIRST LADY BARBARA BUSH IS IN
FAILING HEALTH TONIGHT AND
CHOOSING TO REMAIN AT HOME IN
HOUSTON FOR PALLIATIVE CARE.
THE OFFICE OF HER HUSBAND,
FORMER PRESIDENT GEORGE H.W.
BUSH, RELEASED A STATEMENT
SAYING THAT MRS. BUSH WILL NO
LONGER SEEK MEDICAL CARE FOR
UNDISCLOSED ILLNESSES, AND THAT
SHE “IS SURROUNDED BY A FAMILY
SHE ADORES.”
BARBARA BUSH IS 92 YEARS OLD.
THAT’S ALL FOR THIS EDITION OF
PBS NEWSHOUR WEEKEND.
I’M HARI SREENIVASAN.
THANKS FOR WATCHING.
HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

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