‘Disaster’: How Judge In Trump Impeachment Trial May Compel Witnesses And Break Ties | MSNBC

‘Disaster’: How Judge In Trump Impeachment Trial May Compel Witnesses And Break Ties | MSNBC

100 thoughts to “‘Disaster’: How Judge In Trump Impeachment Trial May Compel Witnesses And Break Ties | MSNBC”

  1. Mitch McConnell is obsessed over swiftly getting the senate trial out of his way. Why? He is as corrupt as Trump, that's why.

  2. Morons are falling straight into trap, Trump told us he would clean the swamp. He wants to go to trial, he wants to call witnesses, only then will the mass corruption of the democratic party be exposed.

  3. MSNBC can you just please shut down your "News Company" Fake News company to be precise, since your views are less than what random game streamer gets.
    Where do you losers get funding for this? Nobody in right mind would fund something that doesn't generate them income… I wonder

  4. As an outsider looking in from another country, I have to say that my eyes have been opened as to how the American system of justice seems to play out. You seem to have a whole party of people called Republicans who want to sacrifice their political reputation for a generation, just to support a man who has clearly carried out these crimes against your Constitution and therefore albeit my opinion create a new country, The Un- United States of America. I know very little about your history, but having won the War for Independence against the British dictatorial Monarchy the one thing they wanted was to get as far away from that system as possible. Please don't be as some say, The United States of Amnesia and take a look back at this man's track record since he came to office, The damage that a dictator like Trump can do is not only divisive but extremely dangerous.

  5. Why are you Republican so affread of the truth about the president is going to come out and you got choose between your consituion duty are the lying corrupt unfit unstable unhinged Putin puppet draft dodgers cowards Donald John trump fake president dictator.over the country are you for trump


  7. So sick and tired of Republican'ts saying that Biden and Biden has anything to do with Trump's impeachment.
    Wish they all moved to Russia already.

  8. We the People have a responsibility and a say in this: We can raise the Voice of the People by calling the offices of our reps, along with our, "reps," to convey our stance on impeachment and a fair hearing, witnesses, document evidence. We make our Voice relentless by sheer number when we ask our friends and families to do the same. US Senate 202-225-3121, US House 202-224-3121. This is our power against McConnell, Graham and their attempts at obstruction.

  9. Its in Mitch hand, right? For sure, eye for eye, denial for denial, dismissal for dismissal. Maybe the question , is it unanimous consents?

  10. When we look at the GOP for witnesses, who do we look to? People who trump screwed over, someone who has figured out that trump is a danger to the country, someone who knew all along but toed the party line or someone who feels it is in their own personal benefit to have their name cited as a saviour?

  11. I get a feeling it's going to be a rerun of the Kavanaugh hearing.

    Perhaps these so-called three potential Republicans voters are actually the cruelest of them all. They build our hopes up & then crush them into pieces later on. They laughed behind closed doors & partied after it all set & done. They could be sadists & this is just a game to them.

    Trusting a Republican to do the right thing is like trusting a pedophile not to molest your child when you put him/her in his care. Too risky.

  12. Why Trump Is Right, Democrats Wrong:
    30 Reasons To impeachment Failure …
    1. "Constitutional Law professor stuns Dems On Impeachment: It's YOUR Abuse of Power"
    https://youtu.be/EHwH1z0NZUQ ….

    3. In the hearings, Rep. Devin Nunes explained how Democrats have continued to exploit the Intelligence Committee for political purposes for the past 3 years
    (https://youtu.be/4LZ87g3nERU )

    4. Nunes highlighted how Democrats have been trying to impeach the President since he took office (https://youtu.be/Za9NiU4SA98 )

    5. Schiff, in particular, was criticized for his methods, as multiple analysts  noted that Schiff’s polling of impeachment messaging with a focus group was incredibly political (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeJCUXpnsdk&feature=youtu.be )


    7. Witness Tim Morrison said nothing concerned him about the July 25th phone call (https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2F3kvQ-_ZHknk&data=02%7C01%7CJAubin%40gop.com%7C528482f36fe441bc6d4c08d76d414e70%7C4a082c81950a410d9618462a9c74d6ae%7C1%7C0%7C637097999568124978&sdata=o3TL1lMBtnUAbrR4PpzEwOIEd%2F89MM4VSTyptEOc9tg%3D&reserved=0 )

    8. Witness Gordon Sondland said the President never told him about preconditions for anything (https://youtu.be/mRArFD-rhYM )

    9. Sondland explained how “no one on this planet” told him that Ukraine aid was tied to investigations (https://youtu.be/_jO4DSnUYMI )

    10. Witness David Hale testified that he had no knowledge of strings attached to the Ukraine aid (https://youtu.be/pQpYGkRCUiQ )

    11. Hale said he was not aware of any connection between the Ukraine aid and investigations (https://youtu.be/z089nP4KJm0 )

    12. On multiple occasions, Former AmbassadorYovanovitch emphasized she had no firsthand information relating to the whistleblower complaint or the events surrounding the actual impeachment inquiry:
    (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilOq3pVY6aE&feature=youtu.be )
    (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_beZdMfFoE&feature=youtu.be )

    13. U.S. Envoy Kirk Volker said he received no “indication whatsoever or anything that resembled a quid pro quo” and that he was never involved in anything “considered to be bribery.”

    14. Director for European Affairs on the National Security Council Alexander Vindman testified that he cannot remember any Ukrainian ever mentioning any pressure to do investigations (https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2F76Hb4L41hO8&data=02%7C01%7CJAubin%40gop.com%7C9dbf7f289212485babde08d76d04010c%7C4a082c81950a410d9618462a9c74d6ae%7C1%7C0%7C637097736298959754&sdata=XY1%2BlM2X37XLKKeh8ZZlhFj22TZs3pnHt2XVwiC8CFM%3D&reserved=0 )


    16. The Defense Department’s Laura Cooper said she was proud of how supportive the Trump administration has been to Ukraine (https://youtu.be/3mfF7aH5OO8 )

    17. Despite Democrat obfuscation, Yovanovitch detailed how President Trump strengthened Ukraine’s position with the sale of Javelin missiles on several occasions:
    (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32CZSdAuIwo&feature=youtu.be )
    (https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DSJoe6c1np3I%26feature%3Dyoutu.be&data=02%7C01%7CJAubin%40gop.com%7C84f50219cb5347006be908d76a06dc92%7C4a082c81950a410d9618462a9c74d6ae%7C1%7C0%7C637094450013206858&sdata=XeXuppXCG2A72O95m6900sqUHzwSj3GPoJFIokwgczk%3D&reserved=0 )

    18. Both Cooper and Hale testified that Trump provided Javelins to Ukraine when the Obama administration refused (https://youtu.be/MHNJ3r-lvSo )

    19. Vindman testified that President Trump provided important Javelin missiles to Ukraine when the Obama Administration had not (https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FNVDa4G4-rRM&data=02%7C01%7CJAubin%40gop.com%7Cba783d6dd13a4902778f08d76d19d1e4%7C4a082c81950a410d9618462a9c74d6ae%7C1%7C0%7C637097829984704814&sdata=rra4eFDbJhJBCLHRLhctbZDGPppEUoSYwb0R9AlRv4Q%3D&reserved=0 )

    20. Both Hill and Holmes agreed that Javelins are an “important strategic deterrent” in Ukraine (https://youtu.be/oDfMGP5Td0Y )

    21. Volker testified that President Trump’s policy on Ukraine fundamentally turned U.S. policy around after Obama (https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FsrqTuMOBCXM&data=02%7C01%7CJAubin%40gop.com%7C79b5397dbfad47b276f508d76d35557d%7C4a082c81950a410d9618462a9c74d6ae%7C1%7C0%7C637097948426903835&sdata=P2xND9setCUPmL60NIqLjEZYonuHdHnbKDuEPpnrRRQ%3D&reserved=0 )

    22. CNN’s Scott Jennings: “The discussion of lethal assistance reminded many that Obama refused to give it for TWO YEARS after Russia invaded.” (https://twitter.com/ScottJenningsKY/status/1194674235651903488?s=20 )


    24. While Democrats struggled to find any shred of evidence, their witnesses spoke about the concerns they raised concerning Hunter Biden and Burisma
    (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGL6K9Lla20&feature=youtu.be )
    (https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D-uiw3hK5CP8%26feature%3Dyoutu.be&data=02%7C01%7CJAubin%40gop.com%7Cc66174ee63e94fbd4dbd08d7687b6915%7C4a082c81950a410d9618462a9c74d6ae%7C1%7C0%7C637092751562029705&sdata=wlqD%2FLe1INiQet8Nj1vaRwLL%2FQzI1h1jiS5Iz4eGrEc%3D&reserved=0 )
    (https://twitter.com/mariashriver/status/1194703334571044864 )

    25. Both Vindman and State Department Employee Jennifer Williams testified that Hunter Biden and Bursima had the “appearance of conflict of interest.”
    (https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FEDKv4vI5R1Q&data=02%7C01%7CJAubin%40gop.com%7C6806ca75374d4869a48b08d76d1ac9e3%7C4a082c81950a410d9618462a9c74d6ae%7C1%7C0%7C637097834142607954&sdata=RnNIEAlpRZcL%2BDIIUlB1gNxNotNaphL8HaDja7%2Fru%2Bk%3D&reserved=0 )

    26. Vindman testified that Burisma had a “pattern of questionable dealings & questions about corruption.”
    (https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FVVSoi3b5qTM&data=02%7C01%7CJAubin%40gop.com%7Cf55edcd1a2574d1a398608d76d0cb068%7C4a082c81950a410d9618462a9c74d6ae%7C1%7C0%7C637097773577589761&sdata=De5mGcgT78cOMk%2BBCF9mygB%2B4BFXnZYX6MPCDxB2SV0%3D&reserved=0 )

    27. Vindman testified that the President was “certainly” within his right to ask for investigations into corruption.
    (https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FTCTT8b76uPg&data=02%7C01%7CJAubin%40gop.com%7C52504ebb23c14a7d623e08d76d1699a9%7C4a082c81950a410d9618462a9c74d6ae%7C1%7C0%7C637097816154144263&sdata=ncZ0K6WIgrcjCFuyc7pP%2FmwOmXnC7ioQRrioOBfAXIM%3D&reserved=0 )

    28. Yovanovitch testified multiple times concerning Burisma and the Bidens, including disclosing that the FBI had investigated Burisma 
    (https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D_2x-6WpAwsk%26feature%3Dyoutu.be&data=02%7C01%7CJAubin%40gop.com%7C84f50219cb5347006be908d76a06dc92%7C4a082c81950a410d9618462a9c74d6ae%7C1%7C0%7C637094450013216809&sdata=0OWk7Hja8dU75uWf8UWsiO4cNrThQJsdoqoJvWd%2By80%3D&reserved=0  )

    29 … and that she had been prepped by the Obama Administration on how to respond to questions involving the company and the Bidens (https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D9KNHeAeMZkc%26feature%3Dyoutu.be&data=02%7C01%7CJAubin%40gop.com%7C84f50219cb5347006be908d76a06dc92%7C4a082c81950a410d9618462a9c74d6ae%7C1%7C0%7C637094450013226757&sdata=4usv%2FdnUEiBHcQ7uCICJ5FXkFSKsQKCb6Kh2rYuhV6Y%3D&reserved=0

    30. Even MSNBC’s Chris Matthews: “Who doesn’t think” there’s a “serious” appearance of Biden and Burisma conflict of interest.
    (https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DGp5N7d6uZ7c%26feature%3Dyoutu.be&data=02%7C01%7CJAubin%40gop.com%7C580f57d8b6d14ea144be08d76a07ebd3%7C4a082c81950a410d9618462a9c74d6ae%7C1%7C0%7C637094454582304682&sdata=xVVlAOwKWaFFKcJ4sITZygplM8kTWJMwKtDFRwYMHk4%3D&reserved=0 )

    31. The Hill reported that opposition to the impeachment inquiry has jumped by 10 points among independents (https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fthehill.com%2Fhomenews%2Fhouse%2F471057-poll-independent-opposition-to-impeachment-inquiry-jumps-10-points-in-last&data=02%7C01%7CJAubin%40gop.com%7Ccca63600ecbf45d87c4f08d76d0a44ae%7C4a082c81950a410d9618462a9c74d6ae%7C1%7C0%7C637097763182312395&sdata=vSLVG8%2FM3TtxPy0z9lKqT0RJaYgAipG6NXqd96XaRY8%3D&reserved=0

    (See the source article for these facts:
    https://www.gop.com/the-results-are-in-schiff-flopped-rsr/ )

  13. Rand Paul is out there threatening Republican Senators if they vote for calling witnesses. Nice Libertarian Morals & Ethics, eh?

  14. Make no mistake. This is just a circus and behind the scenes Rome is burning. If you or I had done what Trump and most likely the Bidens have done we would be in jail. Its a joke…Trump forms so called "charities" then takes the money for himself. Why not investigate the Bidens for doing what he routinely does. And what the hay, what is Hunter Biden doing thats so valuable thats worth what he was paid?
    Ho hum. While all this is going on all kinds of regulations regarding the environment have been pulled back, public lands have been opened up for fossil fuels, immigrant children languish in border jails, some are still lost in the "system", have funds been released for Puerto Rico? How are the Kurds doing? What about the separation of Church and State? An Evangelical Advisory board that does or does not exist?
    Did Trump sign an Executive Order rescinding the Johnson Amendment which means candidates can now be endorsed from the pulpit?
    Listen up America. Rome is burning!

  15. Why are they so sure all 47 Democrats will vote for more witnesses? Many Moderates such as Jon Tester from Montana have called
    impeachment "silly"

  16. Facts:

    1. Joe Biden's son was making $80,000 a month working for a foreign oil company with ties to the Russian and Chinese governments despite having no experience in the oil and gas industry

    2. Biden flew to Ukraine while he was the Vice President and threatened the Ukrainian President at the time with losing $1B in aide if he did fire a prosecutor looking into that obvious corruption

    3. Trump called the current Ukrainian President and asked him to restart the investigation Biden had ended by an illegal threat and meddling in Ukraine's politics

    4. Now Democrat's say Trump is the bad guy and Joe is squeaky clean and also should be President

  17. History has made it obvious to any educated person that treason is in the very DNA of conservatives in America. It is for this reason alone that the inbreds will vote against democracy and in favor of a pro-Putin resolution to trump's treason. But it is good for people to see first hand how anti-democratic the right truly is.

  18. Trump being Impeached for not giving Ukraine their aid money when he actually only used "Oversight" to stop it until some criminal questions were answered, Otherwise he'd still be holding the check. Since there are not any examples in our history, the Make Believe Theory -. Hypothetically if FDR had just been informed of the Pearl Harbor attack on Dec 7 1941 and subsequently he was looking at an Aid Check to Japan for Millions, and if he signed it then it would be hand delivered to the Japanese Embassy, would FDR have been Impeached for Not Signing the Congressional approved aid check?. The answer is NO WAY! If FDR held up the check to Japan until it was proved with Absolute Necessity that it was or wasn't Japan that bombed Pearl Harbor then he would have been using Executive Oversight. And the Constitution doesn't cover a Presidents ability, right, and need to sometimes use oversight, even on a short term basis to study some criminal issue. Trump only did that, as he eventually sent the check to Ukraine. Too bad for Dems that he isn't still blocking the check to the Ukraine evil regime! Quid pro Quo in this case was what police do to criminals, that is lie and cajole them to confess their crimes. Nothing illegal about that as it's an accepted practice. He saw evidence of crimes being committed and used "Oversight" to investigate. Not an Impeachable Offense!!!

  19. Just because repubs want to slience witnesses won't stop the process. Justice Roberts must obey the rules of law and witnesses are evidence, and evidence cannot be suppressed.

  20. Facts are: 1) Trump will win easily in 2020.

    2) Pence will win easily in 2024 and 2028.

    3) Therefore, you libs are DOOMED 😀

  21. If I were Trump, I would pay any price or pay off anyone I had to and speak any lie I could to stay in office, ..It sure beats going to prison.

  22. The American people are DEMANDING that there be witnesses AND evidence presented publicly, period. Trump’s dirty secrets are being exposed and it’s time to stop covering for him, FFS! 🤷🏻‍♀️

  23. We ALL saw him put his hand on a bible and swear on his honor to be fair and impartial. I believe him to be a man of honor but we'll see if my belief in him is deserved or not.

  24. Democrats: Don't allow republicans in the house to call witnesses. Also Democrats: If they don't allow us to call witnesses then the republicans are playing unfairly.

  25. Every Senator who fails to support inclusion of witnesses deserves to be impeached for failure to honour their sworn oath of office to uphold the Law & honour the Constitution. I hope the USA public bring a Class Action against them for abuse of office and complicity with crime & criminals and thereby, placing America at risk: Wasn't this very recent and real threat of WW3, enough to raise the alert?

  26. Trump, Obama, Pompeo, etc traitors! They sacrifice USA & Americans for Putin's power! Iran is destroyed already! LEARN the lesson!!don't let people get drugged!!!

  27. Its all about Dems vs. Rep not about Impeachment or facts/truth pretty much shows us there shouldnt been an Impeachment…Swamps gettn low wont be long until we see how many Dems will go down after this bc if u think Trump being who he is just sit there and take it your way wrong hes a baby and will go after ALL involved amd will hammer for the next 5 years at all the corruption…just watch and not bash like lil children like most Trump haters do bc if u do you may look silly to all those here that just gives their 2¢ and dont attack others bc of their opinions like Ive seen everywhere…So reply on video not attacking others…MSNBC isnt worth anything anymore these days…SuperMarket Tabloid is what theyve become…sad…Bias kills news bc your supposed to be neutral for us not Bias…

  28. This trial will be a lesson to those who don't know the law and process of impeachment. It's going to be fun to watch the this total waste of money and see the Dems look like false accusers AGAIN. Let the circus begin.

  29. “Ties lose”

    Then it becomes about how the motion is phased.
    We hold a vote to not hear testimony from X, Y, and Z.
    Ends up being a tie, a loss, which means we will hear testimony from them. Eat it McConnell

  30. What a joke. Voting to say if witnesses can present testimony in a trial……………..On what planet can justice be subverted because of selfish political games.

  31. Trump and CIA have order more immigrant caravans to come to the US from Guatemala Honduras 01-18-20 they are on the way, this caravans will be used to create fear of an invasion to the us and also pressure mexico. This is to help Trump to try to get re-elected. Heads up people. We don’t know yet who is financing these caravans of immigrants as of yet.

  32. INTERESTING: how Donald Trump is changing the world. Will it be GREAT or TERRIBLE? https://youtu.be/nXwEYKXbdEE

  33. Kind of amazing that this country still doesn't have a fixed set of rules on how to conduct the most dangerous, politically-sensitive proceedings. Deciding on rules 'at halftime' is insane. More insane/stupid, that the party with the most to protect has so much power in the process. Maybe America never was "great," and it just took Vlad Putin to show us how broken, corrupt, and incomplete we always have been.

  34. No matter what, this madman will FOREVER be historically be an IMPEACHED PRESIDENT and he can’t stand it. Freakin Liar Cheat and embarrassment to human kind.

  35. From the Clinton trial: 3 days Prosecution, 3 days Defense, 2 days Senators written questions, next day move to dismissal = 11 calendar days. Dismissal will likely pass for Trump, it did not for Clinton (30 days actual).

  36. LOL….Pres Trump announces end of Moochelle Obumma's failed school lunch program…..ON HER BIRTHDAY!!!………HAW HAW!!!

  37. There are not 4 honest Republicans in the House, which has 435 members. Surely you can't find 4 honest GOP Senators out of 100 Senators. Their oaths are lies. They represent their own selfish reelection interests ans serve a criminal president. The Senate will vote in short order. The electorate will vote on Nov 3, 2020.

  38. I'm waiting for someone like him to develop a conscience. I'm proud of myself for walking away from a 23 year career because i refused to be unethical. I'm not beholden to any mortal. It helps to be financially independent.

  39. Why is Nancy Pelosi and her house of Representatives even looking at Trump. Is it in their job descriptions to prod through secrect government affairs and try and bust the President for wrong doings no it is not. The actual definition of their job is… a two-year term serving the people of a specific congressional district. Among other duties, representatives introduce bills and resolutions, offer amendments and serve on committees. Hmm… nowhere in there does is say anything about delving into Presidential affairs to attempt a coup. No way do Republicans allow this, Is it a second Civil War that the south is wanting. My bad, the south moved to the north. So If this goes through? I see The Republicans, the Union Army and It's elected Commander in Chief going into a Civil War against the Democratic Rebellion and it's 64 million pot smoking, baby killing, gun controlling regime.
    Glad my family is fully trained and each have a 210 round combat loadout ready at a moment's notice.

  40. George Washington was a traitor until he won. It wasn't until after victory he was a Patriot. If he'd lost he'd be a traitor. Trumps a coward. Plain and simple. Want to save the Union? Assassinate Trump and his family

  41. They need to try to call more witnesses why? Because their case is SO weak it will never fly. You can't convict anyone on heresay.

  42. There are a couple important points that are being overlooked by everyone that keeps saying we must have witnesses. Even though Bolton said he would be willing to testify, President Trump will invoke executive privilege. When he does that, the Senate will have to go to the courts to have the privilege claim resolved. That litigation can take months. So just because John Bolton said he's willing to testify, he doesn't make the decision. The courts do. Even if they allowed him to testify, he might not be able to answer certain questions based on sensitive executive privilege conversations. So all of the democrats saying "There must be witnesses!" are overlooking the time aspect of getting those witnesses and the reality that a witness like Bolton might not be able to answer many of their questions. In reality it was a major blunder by Adam Schiff not to subpoena Bolton and seek help from the courts. It does look weak of them to demand the Senate do it when they failed to do so. The other point in regards to time and the length of the trial is that if the democrats get to subpoena witnesses, the republicans will immediately subpoena Hunter Biden and the Whistleblower. Once witnesses start coming in, this trial could go on for 2-4 months. That right there immediately destroys the presidential campaigns of Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. They would be collateral damage to a long, ugly, drawn out trial. I am a republican who supports Trump. I personally am fine with witnesses but the country needs to realize the reality of this process. I believe its better for the country if there isn't a months long, ugly, protracted trial. As entertaining as it would be to have Hunter Biden and Joe Biden take the stand, a timely trial is best.

  43. —- > Other reports have said a tie goes to the minority. It's disgusting that all Senators would not vote for witnesses, disgusting that they are okay with promoting disinformation.

  44. Wow. U idiots. The Senate tries the case that the cangress sent over. The "new witnesses" are not part of the case that was good enough to impeach on. I'm not surprised to see most of these comments are made by ignorant uninformed idiots.

  45. Anyone that votes against witnesses is voting against a real trial, enabling Trump to break the law. Traitors to the Constitution.

  46. The Constitution says that the House does the investigation and then presents their case to the Senate. The Senate then holds the trial and makes the decides based on what the House brings to them if the case is enough to remove the President from office. It is not the Senate's job to do the work that the House did not do! There was no crime committed as we all saw if you watched the House process. And therefore the President is not guilty!!!! End of story if one deals in truth.

  47. It has to be obvious that someone running to oppose Trump as President can't serve as impeachment juror.  They should recuse themselves.

  48. Wanting to leave the witnesses out of the case shows that they know how guilty Trump is … Who would not want "the witnesses who may exonerate them" to be part of the testimony in a trial? … A guilty person, not one else!

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