JUDY WOODRUFF: President Trump suggested this
week that he is considering hosting next year’s
G7 meeting with world leaders at his Miami
Lisa Desjardins has more on why those comments
are raising some eyebrows.
LISA DESJARDINS: It sounded a little like
a sales pitch, but from a presidential podium.
The Washington Post’s David Fahrenthold has
been reporting on Mr. Trump’s business interests
since before the 2016 election, and joins
Let’s start, first of all, David, with what
exactly the president told reporters about
why he thinks his resort in Doral, Florida,
is a good idea for the G7.
DONALD TRUMP, President of the United States:
We have many hundred of acres, so that, in
terms of parking, in terms of all of the things
that you need — the ballrooms are among the
biggest in Florida, and the best.
And they want — my people wanted it.
From my standpoint, I’m not going to make
In my opinion, I’m not going to make any money.
I don’t want to make money.
I don’t care about making money.
LISA DESJARDINS: Now, President Trump is unique
in many ways.
One of them, he is the only president we have
ever had that owns resorts around the country.
My question to you, David, what issues would
this raise, the idea of a G7 resort the president
DAVID FAHRENTHOLD, The Washington Post: Well,
you could sort of put them into categories.
The one would be — the first would be the
The Constitution prohibits presidents from
taking emoluments or payments from foreign
This would be Trump on a massive scale compelling
foreign governments to pay money to him.
The foreign leaders who come to these G7 summits
are accompanied by dozens and dozens of people.
They all pay for their hotel rooms.
The revenue would go to him.
So that’s on the first scale.
This is the use of president — presidential
power to basically create revenue for the
The other set of concerns is logistical.
Most G7 summits, they’re so heavily secured,
they’re held on islands or in sort of small
resort towns that you can wall off.
Doral, you can’t do that.
It’s among a bunch of industrial parks on
the western side of Miami.
So there’s a logistical question of trying
to secure something that is so sort of big
and sprawling and integrated into a big city.
LISA DESJARDINS: Let’s revisit the Emoluments
Clause for a minute to remind people.
This is what it says in the U.S. Constitution.
It reads; “No person holding any office of
profit” — generally thought to meet an executive
of the U.S. government — “shall, without
the consent of Congress, accept any present
emolument, office or title of any kind whatever
from any foreign state.”
This is one of two emoluments clauses, but
this is the one that’s relevant here.
Do we know if it is illegal for foreign governments
to conduct business with operations the president
Where is the fight over this in court right
DAVID FAHRENTHOLD: You’re right that we don’t
know for sure.
This is such a dusty and sort of untouched
area of federal law.
No president had ever gotten close to sort
of stepping over the line here before Trump,
who just jumped over the line.
And so the federal courts have been trying
to catch up and figure out, what did this
— what did the founding fathers mean?
What does an emolument mean?
Is this illegal?
So three lawsuits were fired — were filed
accusing Trump of violating the Emoluments
Two have now been dismissed, on the grounds
that the people who brought them didn’t have
the standing to sue Trump in the first place.
The one remaining one was filed by a bunch
of congressional Democrats.
That is still going, but it’s on hold now
while Trump appeals it to a higher court to
try to dismiss it.
So that basic question, does an emolument
in the Constitution, does that mean just a
plain old bribe of money given to Trump for
him doing something, doing a favor?
Or could it mean a payment for a ballroom
or hotel room, where the foreign government
pays Trump, but gets something in return?
The courts haven’t ruled on that yet.
LISA DESJARDINS: I want to also ask you about
Trump’s business in general.
He said he doesn’t care about money.
Do we know if his businesses have lost money
since he’s been president, and by about how
DAVID FAHRENTHOLD: We don’t know the big picture.
So the Trump Org has hundreds of hundreds
of individual companies.
And in some cases, we know those individual
companies are doing poorly.
Doral, that golf course in Florida, is a prime
It’s had a real rough run since Trump got
Profitability has dropped 70 percent.
But as far as the whole picture, are they
making money or losing money overall, they
have never said, and I don’t know.
LISA DESJARDINS: So let’s talk a little bit
more specifically about the Doral resort.
It is a sprawling resort, four golf courses,
some 700 rooms.
Certainly, logistically, it could provide
the space for those world leaders.
And looking at this question another way,
could there not be an advantage for a president
to be able to host world leaders on his own
Why shouldn’t he be able to do that?
DAVID FAHRENTHOLD: Well, there — I have just
talked to people today who have sort of specialized
in putting on summits, people that organized
summits for the U.S. in the past.
And they said there actually are some advantages
to Doral, one of them being that it’s sort
of divided up into eight or 10 villas, sort
of wings of hotel rooms.
And you could use those to house the individual
countries, so their security staffs wouldn’t
run into one another.
You’re right that it’s self-contained.
Once you got all the dignitaries on the property,
you could probably keep them there and not
have to motorcade them around.
There are some disadvantages, though.
It’s very close to the Miami Airport, which
might put some restrictions on flights.
And, as I said, it’s not an island.
It’s surrounded by all these neighborhoods
where somebody could pull up and launch an
attack, somebody could launch a drone or a
So if you want to secure that whole area for,
let’s remember, seven and maybe more of the
most powerful people in the world, you have
to watch that outside area.
And it’s going to be a lot harder at Doral
than it would be at some other place.
LISA DESJARDINS: Briefly, David, you have
a new story today that touches on all this.
Attorney General Barr apparently has put in
a reservation for a $30,000 party that he’s
going to pay for himself at Trump’s hotel
here in Washington in December.
Can you talk about that?
And why does that raise concerns?
DAVID FAHRENTHOLD: Well, you’re right.
We got some leaked documents from the Trump
Hotel that show William Barr, the new attorney
general, has reserved the presidential ballroom
at the Trump Hotel in December and is going
to pay at least $30,000 for this 200-person,
he calls it a family holiday party.
That’s not illegal, as far as I know.
But this is a question of the president — we
have talked a lot about how the president
has combined the personal and the political,
the presidency and his business.
And this is a case where someone that he’s
rewarded in an official capacity as president,
Barr — he’s elevated him to this high office
— is now giving Trump personal rewards.
So, Trump is reaping some personal benefit
from this guy that he just appointed.
Barr says he didn’t do it to curry favor,
that he tried to get a room at the Marriott
But the result is somebody that Trump used
U.S. power to help is now using his money
to help Trump.
LISA DESJARDINS: All right, David Fahrenthold,
thank you so much for joining us.
DAVID FAHRENTHOLD: Thank you.