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BUT FIRST, HERE’S MY TAKE. I HAVE LONG OPPOSED THE VARIOUS EFFORTS TO IMPEACH DONALD TRUMP. OVERTURNING AN ELECTION SHOULD BE A RARE EVENT UNDERTAKEN IN ONLY THE MOST EXTREME CIRCUMSTANCES. THE PROCESS WOULD CREATE DEEP WOUNDS IN AN ALREADY DIVIDED NATION. AND AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, SINCE IT’S HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT A REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED SENATE WOULD VOTE BY A TWO-THIRD MAJORITY FOR CONVICTION, THE POLITICAL EFFECT COULD WELL BE TO INDICATE TRUMP AND AID HIS RE-ELECTION. BUT THE EVENTS OF THE LAST FEW WEEKS HAVE LED ME TO SUPPORT AN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. TO DIRECT AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY FOR PERSONAL POLITICAL GAIN IS THE DEFINITION OF ABUSE OF POWER. BUT WHAT HAS BEEN FAR MORE TROUBLING THAN THAT PHONE CALL TO UKRAINE IS TRUMP’S REFUSAL TO COOPERATE WITH THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. OTHER PRESIDENTS HAVE CONTESTED A SPECIFIC SUBPOENA OR REQUEST FOR DOCUMENTS. DONALD TRUMP IS EFFECTIVELY REJECTING CONGRESS’S ABILITY TO HOLD HIM ACCOUNTABLE. THE RULE OF LAW HAS BEEN BUILT OVER CENTURY IN THE WESTERN WORLD, BUT IT REMAINS FRAGILE BECAUSE IT IS BASED ON A BLUFF. THE BLUFF IS THAT AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL EVERYONE WILL RESPECT THE RULES, EVEN THOUGH IT MIGHT NOT BE POSSIBLE ALWAYS TO FORCE COMPLIANCE. THE RULE AT THE HEART OF THE AMERICAN SYSTEM IS THE SEPARATION OF POWERS. THE FOUNDERS’ GREATEST FEAR WAS THAT TOO MUCH POWER IN THE HANDS OF GOVERNMENT WOULD MEAN THE END OF LIBERTY SO THEY ENSURED THAT POWER WAS SHARED AND THAT EACH BRANCH WOULD ACT AS A CHECK ON THE OTHER. THE CRUCIAL FEATURE FOR JAMES MADISON, THE CHIEF ARCHITECT OF THE CONSTITUTION, WAS GIVING TO THOSE WHO ADMINISTER EACH DEPARTMENT OR BRANCH THE NECESSARY CONSTITUTIONAL MEANS AND PERSONAL MOTIVES TO RESIST ENCROACHMENTS OF THE OTHERS. AMBITION MUST BE MADE TO COUNTERACT AMBITION, HE WROTE. BUT THE SYSTEM ONLY WORKS IF ALL SIDES RESPECT IT. AT THE END OF THE DAY, CONGRESS DOES NOT HAVE AN ARMY OR POLICE FORCE AT ITS DISPOSAL. NOR DOES THE SUPREME COURT. THESE INSTITUTIONS RELY ON THE PRESIDENT TO ACCEPT THEIR AUTHORITY AND ENFORCE THEIR LAWS AND RULINGS. WHEN THE SUPREME COURT HELD UNANIMOUSLY THAT RICHARD NIXON COULD NOT USE EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE TO WITHHOLD THE WATERGATE TAPES, NIXON IMMEDIATELY AGREED TO COMPLY EVEN THOUGH HE KNEW IT WOULD MEAN THE END OF HIS PRESIDENCY. ALL MODERN U.S. PRESIDENTS, BOTH REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATIC, HAVE EXPANDED THEIR POWERS, BUT TRUMP IS ON A DIFFERENT PLANET. HE HAS REFUSED TO COMPLY WITH WHOLLY CONSTITUTIONAL LEGISLATIVE REQUESTS. HE HAS DIVERTED MONEY TO A PROJECT CLEARLY NOT FUNDED BY CONGRESS. REPORTEDLY PROMISED PARDONS FOR OFFICIALS WHO MIGHT BREAK THE LAW. HE’S NOW DOUBLED DOWN ON HIS REJECTION OF CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT OVER HIM. WERE TRUMPS POSITIONS TO PREVAIL, THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT WOULD BECOME AN ELECTED DICTATOR. THE DEMOCRATS ARE ON FIRM CONSTITUTIONAL GROUND BUT ARE BEING POLITICALLY UNWISE. THEY SHOULD ENSURE THAT THIS IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY IS AND LOOKS FAIR. THEY SHOULD FOLLOW THE PRECEDENCE LATE DOWN DURING THE LAST TWO IMPEACHMENT INVESTIGATIONS. THE INQUIRY SHOULD BE TAKEN AS A GREAT ACT OF PUBLIC EDUCATION. A DEMOCRACY CAN TURN INTO A TYRANNY NOT ALL AT ONCE WITH A BANG BUT OVER TIME. OFFICIALS OFTEN ELECTED OFTEN POPULAR CAN SIMPLY DECIDE TO WEAKEN AND DISPENSE WITH CONSTITUTIONAL CONSTRAINTS OR LEGISLATIVE CHECKS. WITHIN A FEW SHORT YEARS USING MOSTLY LEGAL PROCESSES, THEY BECAME A DICTATORSHIP. REFLECTING ON THAT HISTORY, THE CONCLUSIONS FOR CONSERVATIVES OF TODAY EMERGE CLEARLY. DO NOT BREAK THE RULES THAT HOLD A REPUBLIC TOGETHER BECAUSE ONE DAY YOU WILL NEED ORDER. FOR MORE, GO TO CNN.COM/FAREED AND READ MY “WASHINGTON POST” COLUMN THIS WEEK. AND LET’S GET STARTED. ♪>>>LAST SUNDAY NIGHT THE WHITE HOUSE SENT SHOCK WAVES THROUGH THE AMERICAN NATIONAL SECURITY COMMUNITY AND THROUGH THE CORRIDORS OF POWER AROUND THE WORLD WITH ITS ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT SYRIA. THE U.S. WAS GONE FROM NORTHERN SYRIA, THE STATEMENT SAID, AND TURKEY WAS MOVING IN. ON WEDNESDAY, TURKEY’S OPERATION BEGAN WITH AIR STRIKES, ARTILLERY FIRE AND DEATH AND DESTRUCTION. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT UKRAINE WITH SUSAN RICE. SHE WAS PRESIDENT OBAMA’S AMBASSADOR TO THE U.N. AND HIS NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER. SHE’S THE AUTHOR OF A NEW BOOK, “TOUGH LOVE MY STORY OF THE THINGS WORTH FIGHTING FOR.” PLEASURE TO TO HAVE YOU ON.>>GREAT TO BE WITH YOU, FAREED.>>I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE MOMENT YOU WRITE IN YOUR BOOK WHEN PRESIDENT OBAMA CALLS YOU AND ASKS YOU TO BE HIS AMBASSADOR TO THE UNITED NATIONS. A STORIED POSITION. A CABINET POSITION. AND YOU RESPOND BY SAYING, WELL, THANKS VERY MUCH BUT I WAS HOPING YOU WOULD ASK ME TO BE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER. I THINK THAT THE TECHNICAL TERM IS — WHY DID YOU DO THAT AND WHAT WAS HIS REACTION WHICH YOU DON’T RECOUNT.>>HIS REACTION WAS QUITE COOL. HE SAID I REALLY WOULD CONSIDER THAT DOWN THE ROAD, BUT IN THE MOMENT I WANTED SOMEBODY — BECAUSE HE WAS DEALING WITH THE FINANCIAL CRISIS — THAT WOULD BE PERCEIVED AS ABLE TO STEP IN THE JOB, HIT THE GROUND RUNNING ON DAY ONE AND HE WANTED A GENERAL FOR THAT. AND YOU’LL RECALL HE SELECTED GENERAL JONES WHO IS A FOUR STAR COMMANDER. HE SAID I WANT YOU TO GO TO THE U.N. I THINK YOU’LL DO A GREAT JOB AND LET’S SEE WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THAT.>>YOU KNOW THAT — >>LET ME EXPLAIN — >>IT DOES GIVE YOU A REPUTATION.>>I THINK LOTS OF GUYS WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME. I SAY THAT IN THE BOOK. ONE OF THE THINGS I ADMIRE MOST ABOUT PRESIDENT OBAMA IS THAT HE DIDN’T EXPECT DIFFERENTLY FROM WOMEN THAN MEN. I THINK FOR ME, IT TOOK A LITTLE GUTS TO SAY THAT. IT WAS HONESTLY HOW I FELT. I WAS PERFECTLY READY TO ACCEPT THAT IT WAS HIS CHOICE TO MAKE. WHAT I SAY IN THE BOOK IS WOMEN HAVE TO ADVOCATE FOR THEMSELVES AND IF THEY DON’T, OTHER PEOPLE WON’T. AND MANY MEN, MANY OF MY MALE COLLEAGUES HAVE DONE MUCH MORE THAN THAT QUITE HONESTLY.>>ALL RIGHT. LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT SYRIA. ANOTHER TECHNICAL TERM YOU USE TO DESCRIBE PRESIDENT TRUMP’S DECISION IS BAT SHIT CRAZY.>>ARE WE ABLE TO SAY THAT ON CNN?>>LOOK, WE SHOULDN’T BE IN THIS. THIS IS A COMPLICATED CIVIL WAR. WE DON’T REALLY HAVE A GOOD SIDE TO SUPPORT. IN A SENSE THAT WAS PRESIDENT OBAMA’S DECISION. WHY IS TRUMP NOT READY TO SAY LET’S JUST GET OUT?>>IT IS COMPLICATED, BUT WE NEED TO BREAK IT DOWN FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. THIS IS NOT AN EVOLVEMENT THAT WE GOT INTO TO BE ON ONE SIDE OF SYRIA’S CIVIL WAR. PRESIDENT OBAMA MADE THE DIFFICULT CHOICE NOT TO INVOLVE US IN SYRIA’S CIVIL WAR BETWEEN ASSAD AND THE REBELS. WHAT HE DID DECIDE TO DO BECAUSE OUR NATIONAL SECURITY INTERESTS WERE IMPLICATED WAS TO DEPLOY U.S. PERSONNEL, MOSTLY IN TERMS OF AIRPOWER, BUT SOME ADVISERS ON THE GROUND TO FIGHT ISIS BECAUSE ISIS POSED A DIRECT THREAT TO THE SECURITY OF OUR ALLIES IN EUROPE, TO THE UNITED STATES ITSELF, AND TO THE REGION. THIS IS A COUNTERTERRORISM FIGHT THAT WE’RE IN. IT’S NOT PICKING SIDES IN A CIVIL WAR. PRESIDENT TRUMP INHERITED THAT OPERATION WELL UNDER WAY WITH ISIS ON THE ROPES AND UNDER PRESIDENT TRUMP, THE FIGHT WAS CONTINUED AGAINST ISIS AND LARGELY THEY HAVE BEEN CONTAINED IN THE CALIPHATE SUCH AS IT WAS DISMANTLED. BUT AS WE’VE SEEN MANY TIMES IN THIS PART OF THE WORLD, ISIS OR AL QAEDA OR WHATEVER IT IS HAS AN ABILITY TO RECONSTITUTE ITSELF. SO OUR PRESENCE IN NORTHERN SYRIA AND REALLY TALKING ABOUT JUST A FEW HUNDRED U.S. MILITARY ADVISERS, TRAINERS, WAS ESSENTIAL TO SUPPORTING THE KURDS THOUSANDS OF WHOM TOOK THE FIGHT TO ISIS ON OUR BEHALF WITH OUR PREJUDICE OF SUPPORT. A — PLEDGE OF SUPPORT. WHAT WE DID IN WALKING AWAY WAS TWO BAD THINGS. TO CONVEY THE MESSAGE TO THEM AND ANY ALLY AROUND THE WORLD, WHEN WE WAKE UP ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE BED AND DECIDE OUR RELATIONSHIP IS OVER, WE’RE ENDING IT ON THE SPOT AND LEAVING YOU VULNERABLE TO A BRUTAL ASSAULT WHICH IS TURKEY IS NOW ENGAGED IN TO SLAUGHTER THESE KURDS. THE SECOND REASON IT’S NO DANGEROUS IS BECAUSE THE FIGHT AGAINST ISIS IS NOT ENTIRELY WON. THERE ARE 10,000 OR MORE ISIS PRISONERS WHO HAD BEEN IN KURDISH CUSTODY WHO NOW WILL EITHER BE RELEASED OR ESCAPE BECAUSE THE KURDS HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES. SO IN EFFECT WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS DONE IS LET OUT OF JAIL, GIVEN A GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARD TO ABOUT 10,000 TERRORISTS. IF THAT DOESN’T IMPLICATE OUR NATIONAL SECURITY IN A SEVERE WAY, I DON’T KNOW WHAT DOES.>>LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT PROCESS BECAUSE AS NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER YOU SAW SO MUCH OF IT. WHAT’S STRIKING ABOUT THIS DECISION IS IT SEEMS AS THOUGH PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS THESE EMOTIONAL REACTIONS WHICH HE WANTS TO TRANSLATE INTO POLICY LIKE GET OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST. THE POLICY PEOPLE AROUND HIM THINK IT’S KIND OF DIFFICULT TO DO IF NOT UNWISE SO THEY SLOW WALK A LOT OF IT. SO IT SEEMED LIKE THE PENTAGON HAD BEEN — TRUMP HAD ANNOUNCED WE’RE GETTING OUT OF SYRIA MONTHS AGO. THEY SLOW WALK IT AND THEN HE REALIZES OR HAS A PHONE CALL WITH A LEADER, MY GOD, WE STILL HAVE TROOPS IN SYRIA AND THEN EXPLODES. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A PROCESS LIKE THAT?>>THERE IS NO PROCESS. I WISH I COULD CALL THIS THE PROCESS. IT’S THE WHIM OF ONE MAN. IT’S NOT COINCIDENTAL THAT IT OCCURS WHEN WE HAVE A BRAND NEW NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER AND NEWER CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF ON THE JOB SINCE OCTOBER 1. IT’S NOT A COINCIDENCE THAT IT HAPPENED JUST AFTER PRESIDENT TRUMP GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH THE PRESIDENT OF TURKEY AND I AM VERY CONCERNED TO KNOW WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP GOT OUT OF THAT DEAL BECAUSE HE DOESN’T GIVE STUFF AWAY FOR FREE. HE THINKS HE’S THE BEST NEGOTIATOR ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH. WHAT WAS IN THIS FOR HIM PERSONALLY, POLITICALLY OR FINANCIALLY OR FOR THE UNITED STATES BECAUSE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS WHO RARELY AGREE ON ANYTHING THESE DAYS ARE IN AGREEMENT THAT THERE’S NOTHING GOOD IN THIS FOR THE UNITED STATES AND OUR NATIONAL SECURITY.>>WHEN WE COME BACK, WE WILL TALK ABOUT ANOTHER PHONE CALL PRESIDENT TRUMP’S INFAMOUS PHONE CALL WITH>>>WE ARE BACK WITH SUSAN RICE, FORMER NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER, FORMER U.S. AMBASSADOR TO THE U.N. AND AUTHOR OF “TOUGH LOVE: MY STORY OF THE THINGS WORTH FIGHTING FOR.” LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT UKRAINE. FIRST, THE ISSUE THAT YOU DEALT WITH WHEN YOU WERE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER. WHEN JOE BIDEN WAS SENT TO UKRAINE. AS YOU KNOW, THE ARGUMENT THAT DONALD TRUMP MAKES AND HAS REPEATEDLY MAKES OVER AND OVER AGAIN IS BIDEN WENT THERE, ASKED THEM TO FIRE A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR WHO WAS INVESTIGATING CORRUPTION IN UKRAINE INCLUDING A COMPANY THAT HUNTER BIDEN, JOE BIDEN’S SON, WAS ON THE BOARD OF. IN THAT SENSE HE WAS ADVANCING HIS PERSONAL INTEREST USING U.S. FOREIGN POLICY. WHAT DO YOU SAY?>>IT’S VERY SIMPLE BUT SINCE DONALD TRUMP HAS DONE A GOOD JOB OF TRYING TO CONFUSE PEOPLE, LET ME BREAK IT DOWN. IN THE FIRST INSTANCE JOE BIDEN WAS ACTING ON BEHALF OF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT AT PRESIDENT OBAMA’S DIRECTION HE WAS IMPLEMENTING WHAT WAS BIPARTISAN U.S. POLICY AT THE TIME SUPPORTED BY REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS, OUR WESTERN T’S VERY DONALD TRUMP HAS DONE A GOOD JOB OF TRYING TO CONFUSE PEOPLE, LET ME BREAK IT DOWN. IN THE FIRST INSTANCE JOE BIDEN WAS ACTING ON BEHALF OF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT AT PRESIDENT OBAMA’S DIRECTION HE WAS IMPLEMENTING WHAT WAS BIPARTISAN U.S. POLICY AT THE TIME SUPPORTED BY REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS, OUR WESTERN ALLIES, THE INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND, WHICH WAS TO TRY TO PERSUADE THEM TO GET RID OF THIS CORRUPT PROSECUTOR WHO WAS IN CHARGE OF PROSECUTING CORRUPTION. WE DID THAT BECAUSE THE UNITED STATES AND THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY WAS PROVIDING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN ASSISTANCE TO THE NEWLY ELECTED GOVERNMENT OF UKRAINE AND WE WANTED TO SEE THAT MONEY SPENT RESPONSIBLY. THAT WAS THE BASIS OF VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN’S ACTIONS. BY THE WAY, IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS SON, HUNTER. THE COMPANY THAT HUNTER SERVED WITH WAS NOT IN THAT MOMENT UNDER INVESTIGATION BY THIS PROSECUTOR. THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF THOSE VERY ELABORATE EFFORTS BY DONALD TRUMP TO DISTRACT AND DEFLECT AND TO TAR AN OPPONENT BASED ON LIES.>>SHOULD VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN HAVE REVEALED TO YOU OR SOMEONE ELSE — >>IT WAS IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN AT THE TIME. THERE’S NO SECRET HERE. TO BE CLEAR WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN WHAT VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN DID ON BEHALF OF U.S. POLICY AND WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP DID ON BEHALF OF HIS ONLY POLITICAL BENEFIT, FIRST OF ALL, TRUMP EXTORTED THE NEWLY ELECTED PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE USING ALMOST $400 MILLION IN TAXPAYER MILITARY ASSISTANCE TO UKRAINE WHEN UKRAINE IS OCCUPIED BY HOSTILE RUSSIA AND THERE’S STILL A HOT WAR GOING ON. WE’RE GOING TO KEEP THAT AID BACK. I’M NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU A WHITE HOUSE MEETING UNLESS YOU GIVE ME DIRT, WHICH DOESN’T EXIST, ON HIS POLITICAL OPPONENT.>>YOU’RE SURE THERE WAS A QUID PRO QUO.>>READ THE TRANSCRIPT. IT’S THERE IN BLACK AND WHITE. THAT’S HOW I’M SURE. THE FACT THAT THE PRESIDENT PUT IT OUT AND THINKS THERE’S NOTHING WRONG WITH IT, THAT IT’S PERFECT, SHOWS YOU THAT HE DOESN’T HAVE A SENSE OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RIGHT AND WRONG. LEAVING THAT ASIDE FOR A SECOND, PRESIDENT TRUMP EXTORTS A PARTNER WHO IS UNDER DURESS FOR HIS PERSONAL POLITICAL BENEFIT. NOT ON BEHALF OF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT, NOT ON BEHALF OF OUR POLICY. WHAT’S STRIKING TO ME ABOUT THAT TRANSCRIPT IS THERE’S NOT ONE SENTENCE IN THERE THAT ADVANCES U.S. POLICY AND U.S. INTEREST. IT’S ALL ABOUT HIM. AND THE OTHER PART OF THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THEN THE TRUMP WHITE HOUSE TRIED TO HIDE THAT TRANSCRIPT AND BURY IT. Z>>LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT FOREIGN POLICY IN GENERAL. DO YOU FEEL AS THOUGH — I MEAN, I WATCHED THIS SYRIA BUSINESS AND THE PRESIDENT MAKES AN ANNOUNCEMENT ONE DAY AND THEN HE REALIZES THAT MAYBE HE’S BEEN TOO SOFT ON THE TURKS AND HE SAYS I’M GOING TO OBLITERATE TURKEY’S ECONOMY, WHICH I CAN DO IN MY GREAT WISDOM. GREAT AND UNMATCHED WISDOM.>>RIGHT.>>THEN HE FEELS LIKE MAYBE HE’S BEEN TOO HARD ON THE TURKS AND INVITES HIM FOR A WHITE HOUSE MEETING IN 72 HOURS.>>AND THEN HE SAYS HE TOLD THE TURKS NOT TO CROSS INTO SYRIA.>>WHICH THEY THEN DO.>>WHICH, OF COURSE, HE KNEW THEY WERE GOING TO DO.>>THIS IS ALL IN 72 HOURS.>>HEAD SPINNING.>>WHAT DO YOU THINK THE WORLD TAKES FROM IT?>>THE WORLD TAKES FROM THIS THAT WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WE’RE DOING AND THAT THE NATIONAL SECURITY DECISION MAKING PROCESS HAS COMPLETELY BROKEN DOWN. I MEAN, AS I DISCUSS IN MY BOOK, WHICH IS AS MUCH A PERSONAL STORY AS IT IS ABOUT MY TIME IN THE CLINTON AND OBAMA ADMINISTRATIONS, WHETHER YOU WORKED FOR PRESIDENT REAGAN, BUSH 1, BUSH 2, CLINTON, OBAMA, THERE WAS A NATIONAL SECURITY DECISION MAKING PROCESS THAT WE ALL TRIED TO ADHERE TO WHERE TOUGH ISSUES WERE WORKED FROM THE BOTTOM UP WITH FACTS, WITH ANALYSIS, WITH INTELLIGENCE WITH POLICY OPTIONS THAT WERE DEBATED AND ASSESSED ON THEIR MERITS, RECOMMENDATIONS MADE FROM PRINCIPALS TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IN A THOUGHTFUL AND ACCOUNTABLE WAY AND WHEN THE PRESIDENT MAKES A DECISION, THERE’S A PLAN FOR HOW IT’S COMMUNICATED. IT’S NOT TWEETED OUT AT SOME ODD HOUR WITH EXCLAMATION POINTS. THERE’S A THOUGHTFUL COMMUNICATION STRATEGY THAT INVOLVED CONSULTING WITH OUR ALLIES, THAT INVOLVES, YOU KNOW, ENSURING THAT CONGRESS IS BRIEFED. ALL OF THAT HAS BROKEN DOWN. AND I THINK IT’S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS NOT NORMAL. IT’S DYSFUNCTIONAL. IT’S DANGEROUS. AND WE CAN’T ALLOW IT TO BECOME THE NORM. SO I’M PERFECTLY PREPARED TO SUBMIT AND HONEST ABOUT THIS IN MY BOOK, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN’T GET EVERYTHING RIGHT. AND WHERE WE DID GET IT RIGHT, I TRY TO BE FRANK ABOUT IT AND WE GET IT WRONG I BE FRANK ABOUT IT. SAME WITH ALL OF OUR PREDECESSOR ADMINISTRATIONS. THE PROCESS WHEN ADHERED TO DOESN’T NECESSARILY YIELD PERFECT ANSWERS, BUT IT YIELDS THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION. AND THAT’S ALL LOST NOW AND WE HAVE GOT TO GET SECRETARY OF THE. WELCOME.>>THANKS.>>WHAT IS HAPPENING AS YOU SEE THIS TURKISH ADVANCE, WHAT ARE YOU HEARING?>>WE KNOW FROM OUR OWN STAFF ON THE GROUND THESE ARE LOCAL SYRIANS WHO ARE WORKING FOR US ON HEALTH AND OTHER PROJECTS THAT TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE FLEEING, BOMBING AND FIGHTING. THESE ARE PEOPLE IN THE 5 MILLION PERSON KURDISH ZONE. THEY ARE OF ALL ETHNICITY BUT VASTLY KURDS AND FLEEING FROM THE TURKISH INVASION. AS SIMPLE AS THAT. THERE’S GREAT CONCERN ABOUT THE HUMANITARIAN SITUATION IN THAT ZONE AND MORE WIDELY IF THE FIGHTING SPREADS.>>THE OTHER THING THAT’S HAPPENING IS THAT THE TURKS ARE TRYING TO USE THE SPACE THAT THEY’RE CONQUERING TO RESETTLE A WHOLE BUNCH THE SYRIAN REFUGEES BUT THAT IS FRAUGHT WITH COMPLICATIONS. EXPLAIN WHY.>>TURKEY HAS DONE AN EXTRAORDINARY JOB OVER THE LAST SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS, 3.7 MILLION SYRIANS HAVE FLED TO TURKEY. THEY’RE IN THE MAIN SUNNI ARABS WEST OF THE EUPHRATES RIVER. NOT KURDS. WHAT’S SIGNIFICANT ABOUT WHAT’S BEEN SAID AT THE UNITED NATIONS IS THEY WANT TO TAKE THE SUNNI ARABS AND PUT THEM IN SYRIA. THAT RAISES ISSUES ABOUT LOCAL TENSION AND FIGHTING BETWEEN KURDS AND TURKS AND THIS WOULD BE A DEPORTATION EFFECTIVELY AGAINST THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE, AGAINST U.N. AND OTHER REGULATIONS.>>AND WHAT’S EXTRAORDINARY TO ME IS THAT THIS IS — THIS HAD BEEN SUCH AN EXAMPLE OF THE LIMITED BUT EFFECTIVE USE OF AMERICAN POWER. FEW HUNDRED AMERICAN TROOPS SEEMED TO HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE PEACE.>>THAT IS A GREAT POINT. WE AT THE INTERNATIONAL RESCUE COMMITTEE CAN SEE THE SITUATION IN THE KURDISH AREA WHETHER A FEW AMERICAN TROOPS WERE DELIVERING OUR SERVICES. WE HELPED HALF A MILLION PEOPLE WITH HEALTH CARE LAST YEAR AND WE CAN SEE THE CONTRAST BETWEEN THE SITUATION IN THE NORTHEAST OF SYRIA AND NORTHWEST. IN THE NORTHWEST, IT’S A TOTAL WAR ZONE. 3.5 MILLION PEOPLE THERE. 1 MILLION FLED INTO THAT AREA FROM OTHER PARTS OF SYSYRIA. YOU HAVE RUSSIAN BOMBING. YOU HAVE SYRIAN GOVERNMENT PUSHING IN AND YOU HAVE BOMBING OF CIVILIAN CENTERS, BOMBING OF HOSPITALS. OVER 500 HOSPITALS BOMBED SINCE MAY. SO YOU HAVE THIS VERY CLEAR CONTRAST BETWEEN AN AREA WHERE THE RING WAS BEING HELD BY AMERICAN TROOPS AND AN AREA WHERE IT’S THE WILD WEST.>>WHAT IS THE LARGER POINT ABOUT AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY HERE FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW?>>IT’S SUMMED UP IN A SIMPLE WORD. VACUUM. THERE’S NO AMERICAN DIPLOMATIC PRESENCE OF A SIGNIFICANT KIND IN TRYING TO BRING THE SYRIAN CONFLICT TO AN END AND ESTABLISH STABILITY. IT’S A GENUINE CRISIS OF DIPLOMACY BECAUSE AMERICAN IS IN RETREAT. BRITAIN THERE IS NO BRITISH FOREIGN POLICY. SO THE FIELD IS LEFT FOR RUSSIA, FOR IRAN, FOR TURKEY TO WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT HAS REPLACED THE U.N. AS THE CENTRAL BODY ORGANIZING A PEACE MAKING SETTLEMENT IN SYRIA.>>WOW. DAVID MILIBAND, PLEASURE TO HAVE YOU ON.>>THANKS VERY MUCH INDEED.>>NEXT ON “GPS” AMERICA IS A NATION DIVIDED ON IMPEACHMENT AND THE FUTURE OF THE COUNTRY AND TWO SIDES OF THE AISLE. I’LL BRING Y

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