CNN BREAKING TRUMP NEWS 10/09/19 [7PM] CNN Breaking News Today Oct 09, 2019


ERIN BURNETT “OUT FRONT” STARTS RIGHT NOW. >>>BREAKING NEWS. TRUMP RAMPING UP HIS ATTACKS ON THE WHISTLE-BLOWER. DEMOCRATS ENTERING A NEW STAGE OF THE IMPEACHMENT INVESTIGATION. THE PRESIDENT PRESSING NANCY PELOSI FOR A VOTE ON THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY AND HE’S NOT ALONE BECAUSE NOW THERE ARE DEMOCRATS SUPPORTING THE IDEA. SO DOES PELOSI. BERNIE SANDERS, AND HIS FIRST MAJOR SITDOWN SINCE SUFFERING A HEART ATTACK. WHAT HE’S SAYING TONIGHT ABOUT THE FUTURE OF HIS CAMPAIGN. LET’S GO OUT FRONT. I’M ERIN BURNETT. GROWING UNEASE IN THE WHITE HOUSE TONIGHT AS FEARS OF THE IMPEACHMENT PROBE DEEPENED AND TONIGHT TRUMP IS LOSING HIS COOL AND IT SHOWS HE BARELY SLEPT LAST NIGHT AND TODAY HE LOST HIS COOL AS HE WENT BACK TO THE GO-TO ATTACK LINES TARGETING THE WHISTLE-BLOWER AND THE COMPLAINT WHICH IS AT THE CENTER OF THE IMPEACHMENT INVESTIGATION.>>THEY HEARD A WHISTLE-BLOWER WHO CAME OUT WITH A FALSE STORY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SAY IT WAS FAIRLY CLOSE. IT WASN’T CLOSE AT ALL. WHAT THE WHISTLE-BLOWER SAID BORE NO RELATIONSHIP TO WHAT THE CALL WAS. WE HAVE A TRANSCRIBED CALL DONE BY PROFESSIONALS AND THE CALL WAS A PERFECT CALL.>>OKAY. SO HE KEEPS SAYING IT AND SOME PEOPLE MAY BELIEVE IT SO IT’S TIME FOR A FACT CHECK. I WANT TO START ONCE AGAIN WITH THE STORY WHICH WAS TRUE, AND YOU SAY HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT? WELL, WE HAVE THAT PROFESSIONALLY TRANSCRIBED CALL AND WE HAVE THE WHISTLE-BLOWER’S COMPLAINT SO WE CAN COMPARE THEM ON THE CORE ISSUES HERE. THEY’RE MORE THAN FAIRLY CLOSE. FOR EXAMPLE, ACCORDING TO THE COMPLAINT, THE PRESIDENT CLAIMED UKRAINE WAS BEHIND THE INTERFERENCE IN THE ELECTION. THEY SAY A LOT OF IT STARTED WITH UKRAINE. BY THE WAY, WNOT ONLY DO THOSE THINGS MATCH, AND THAT WAS DEBU DEB DEBUNKED BY HOMELAND SECURITY TOM VOSSER. TRUMP PRESSURED MR. ZELENSKY TO INITIATE OR CONTINUE AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE ACTIVITIES OF FORMER VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN AND HIS SON HUNTER BIDEN. SO WHAT WAS ACTUALLY SAID ACCORDING TO THE PROFESSIONAL TRANSCRIPT WAS WORSE BECAUSE IT WAS AFTER ZELENSKY BRINGS UP MILITARY SUPPORT THAT TRUMP ASKS FOR THIS INVESTIGATION. THE UKRAINE PRESIDENT SAYS — TALKS ABOUT GETTING JAVELINS, AND WE’RE READY TO CONTINUE TO COOPERATE FOR THE NEXT STEP. SPECIFICALLY, WE ARE READY TO START MORE JAVELINS FOR THE UNITED STATES FOR DEFENSE PURPOSES. TRUMP’S REPLY, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO US A FAVOR, THOUGH, BECAUSE OUR COUNTRY HAS BEEN THROUGH A LOT AND UKRAINE KNOWS A LOT ABOUT IT. HE GOES ON TO SAY, THERE’S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT BIDEN’S SON THAT BIDEN STOPPED THE PROSECUTION AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO FIND OUT ABOUT THAT, SO WHATEVER YOU COULD DO WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WOULD BE GREAT. BIDEN WENT AROUND BRAGGING THAT HE STOP THE THE PROSECUTION SO IF YOU CAN LOOK INTO IT, IT SOUNDS HORRIBLE TO ME. IT WAS MADE WORSE BY HIS PROFESSIONALLY TRANSCRIBED CALL. NOW LET’S GO TO THE OTHER ALLEGATION THAT THE PRESIDENT TODAY WHEN HE WAS LOSING HIS COOL THROUGHOUT THERE.>>THEN IT TURNS OUT THAT THE WHISTLE-BLOWER IS A DEMOCRAT, STRONG DEMOCRAT AND IS WORKING WITH ONE OF MY OPPONENTS AS A DEMOCRAT THAT I MIGHT END UP RUNNING AGAINST.>>SO LET’S LAY OUT WHY THIS IS FALSE ON BOTH FACT AND INSINUATION. FIRST THE FACT, THE WHISTLE-BLOWER’S ATTORNEY RESPONDING A SHORT TIME AGO. OUR CLIENT HAS NEVER WORKED FOR OR ADVISED A POLITICAL CANDIDATE, CAMPAIGN OR PARTY. OUR CLIENT HAS SPENT THEIR ENTIRE GOVERNMENT CAREER IN APOLITICAL, CIVIL SERVANT POSITIONS IN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH. THE WHISTLE-BLOWER’S CAREER HISTORY WAS KEPT SECRET AND THAT THIS COMPLAINT IS POLITICAL BECAUSE THE WHISTLE-BLOWER IS A DEMOCRAT. THE WHISTLE-BLOWER TOLD PRESIDENT TRUMP’S HAND-PICKED INSPECTOR GENERAL ABOUT HIS OR HER POLITICS. TRUMP’S INSPECTOR GENERAL LOOKED INTO THE WHISTLE-BLOWER’S PAST AND EVEN THOUGH THE WHISTLE-BLOWER IS A REGISTERED DEMOCRAT, THE IG MADE CLEAR THAT THE PERSON’S POLITICAL BELIEFS, QUOTE, DID NOT CHANGE MY DETERMINATION THAT THE COMPLAINT RELATING TO THE URGENT CONCERN APPEARS CREDIBLE PARTICULARLY GIVEN THE OTHER INFORMATION, THE ICIG OBTAINED DURING ITS PRELIMINARY REVIEW. SO HE DEEMED IT CREDIBLE AND URGENT ON MERIT. THE MESSENGER IS NOT THE ISSUE. THE MESSAGE IS THE ISSUE AND THE MESSAGE WAS DEEMED URGENT AND CREDIBLE, OH, AND BY THE WAY, PRESIDENT TRUMP’S ACTING DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE ACTED IN GOOD FAITH. >>I BELIEVE THAT THE WHISTLE-BLOWER AND THE INSPECTOR GENERAL HAVE ACTED IN GOOD FAITH THROUGHOUT. I HAVE EVERY REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE DONE EVERYTHING BY THE BOOK AND FOLLOWED THE LAW.>>SO WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID TODAY WAS FALSE. SO IT COMES AS HOUSE DEMOCRATS ARE NOW PREPARING A WHOLE FLURRY OF NEW SUBPOENAS. SOURCES TELL US THEY DON’T EXPECT THE WITNESSES TO SHOW UP VOLUNTARILY AND THE WHITE HOUSE WILL SUPPORT THEM AND THEY’RE THREATENING WITH SUBPOENAS. LET’S GO LIVE OUTSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE. CAITLAN, THE WHITE HOUSE IS COOPERATING AND BEHIND THE SCENES, MAYBE NOT. A DIFFERENT PREPARATION. >>Reporter: BEHIND THE SCENES THEY’RE PREPARING FOR IMPEACHMENT TO HAPPEN, ACTING LIKE IT COULD VERY WELL HAPPEN LIKE THEY’RE STARTING TO REALIZE AND THE PRESIDENT IS STARTING TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE AT FIRST THEY HAD THOUGHT THE PRESIDENT WAS IN DENIAL OVER THIS AND THAT’S EVIDENT ENOUGH IN ITSELF THAT THEY’RE BRINGING ON TREY GOWDY AS OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO THE PRESIDENT AND THE IDEA THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS RESISTANT TO. HE DIDN’T WANT TO HIRE ANY NEW ADDITIONAL LAWYERS OR FORM ANY IMPEACHMENT DEFENSE STRATEGY TEAM BECAUSE HE THOUGHT IT WOULD MAKE HIM LOOK WEAK AND NOW WE’RE SEEING THAT TREY GOWDY IS EXPECTED TO BE NAMED AS OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO THE PRESIDENT. WHO EXACTLY WILL BE THE PERSON RUNNING THIS IMPEACHMENT DEFENSE STRATEGY. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO SAY IT’S JARED CUSH NKUSHNER AND THE PRESIDENT’S SENIOR ADVISER AND SON-IN-LAW, AS WITH THE GOWDY SITUATION IF THE PRESIDENT CAN KNOW CONVINCED OF IT AND THEN THEY’LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT IDEA. THE WHITE HOUSE AND THE PRESIDENT’S CAMPAIGN WORKING TO SCHEDULE SOME OF THESE RALLIES AND SOME AIDES SAY THEY BELIEVE THAT’S BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT NEEDS A WAY TO CHANNEL SOME OF HIS FRUSTRATION THAT THEY SEE HIM EXPRESSING NOT ONLY THERE IN THE ROOSEVELT ROOM AND ALSO ON TWITTER OVER THIS AND THAT INCLUDES A RALLY IN MINNEAPOLIS OVERNIGHT AND ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS SCHEDULED PRETTY CLOSE AT THE LAST MINUTE FOR FRIDAY NIGHT. THE QUESTION IS GOING TO BE GOING FORWARD THAT AIDES FEEL THAT THIS IS FOCUSING TOO MUCH ON THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY AND NEEDING HIM TO LASH OUT DURING AN EVENT THAT WAS NOT OBVIOUSLY RELATED TO IMPEACHMENT. SO THAT’S REALLY THE QUESTION GOING FORWARD, BUT YES, ERIN, YOU’RE SEEING THE WHITE HOUSE SAY PUBLICLY WE WILL NOT BE COOPERATING WITH WHAT DEMOCRATS ARE DOING RIGHT NOW AND IT COULD BE INEVITABLE.>>HAKEEM JEFFREYS OF NEW YORK AND ALSO A CHAIR OF THE HOUSE DEMOCRATIC CAUCUS. SO CONGRESSMAN, LOOK, YOU’RE ONE OF THE LEADERS HERE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND ACCORDING TO OUR REPORTING YOU ALL HAVE PRETTY MUCH SAID YOU’RE NOT GOING TO EXPECT FOR ANYONE TO SHOW UP VOLUNTARILY AND MAYBE THEY’D LIKE TO COME, BUT THEY WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO DO SO BY THE WHITE HOUSE. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO NOW?>>WE’LL CONTINUE TO FOLLOW THE FACTS GUIDED BY THE U.S. CONSTITUTION. WE WILL NOT LET DONALD TRUMP’S OBFUSCATION, AND THE COVER-UP AND THE STONEWALLING DELAY US FROM UNCOVERING THE TRUTH AND PRESENTING THAT INFORMATION TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. THE BOTTOM LINE HERE IS THAT WE KNOW THE CENTRAL FACTS THAT ARE AT ISSUE THAT DONALD TRUMP WITHHELD WITHOUT JUSTIFICATION $391 MILLION IN AID FROM UKRAINE AT A VERY VULNERABLE AND UNDER ATTACK FROM RUSSIAN-BACKED SEPARATISTS IN CRIMEA. WE KNOW THAT DONALD TRUMP ON A PHONE CALL ON JULY 25th PRESSURED A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT TO TARGET AN AMERICAN CITIZEN FOR POLITICAL GAIN. THAT IS TEXTBOOK ABUSE OF POWER. THOSE FACTS ARE NOT IN DISPUTE.>>AS WE JUST SHOWED THAT’S THE TRANSCRIPT THAT YOU CAN SEE, BUT — BUT YOU KNOW, LOOK, YOU ALL HAVE SAID YOU WILL FIND MORE FACTS AND YOU WILL INTERVIEW PEOPLE. THE FORMER AMBASSADOR TO UKRAINE WAS RELEVANT TO THAT CALL. MARIE IVANOVICH, SHE’S AN IMPORTANT PLAYER AND SHE’S SCHEDULED TO APPEAR ON CAPITOL HILL ON FRIDAY. IT WOULD SEEM THAT SHE HERSELF WOULD BE FBI WITH DOING THAT, BUT OBVIOUSLY SHE WAS A STATE DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEE WITH THIS. IS THERE ANY CHANCE SHE SHOWS UP?>>IT IS LIKELY THAT SHE WILL SHOW UP BASED ON THE FACT THAT SHE’S NO LONGER OPERATING WITHIN THE UMBRELLA OF THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE. YOU ARE GOING SEE COOPERATION MOVING FORWARD FROM PATRIOTIC AMERICANS WHO UNDERSTAND THAT THE WRONGDOING THAT OCCURRED HERE BY DONALD TRUMP UNDERMINED ON NATIONAL SECURITY AND UNDERMINED THE INTEGRITY OF THE ELECTIONS. >>SO YOU THINK BECAUSE SHE’S NO LONGER A CURRENT EMPLOYEE SHE’LL BE ABLE TO DEFY THEIR REQUEST?>>THEIR REQUEST HAS NO BASIS IN LAW, AND SO THEIR ABILITY TO RESTRICT PEOPLE WHO ARE NO LONGER WITHIN THE UMBRELLA OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS LIMITED, IN FACT, IT’S NON-EXISTENT, ERIN. A VERY SMALL, BUT INFLUENTIAL GROUP OF DEMOCRATS, SOME OF THEM PRIVATE PL PRIVATELY AND SOME OF THEM PUBLICLY AND YOU HAVE TO DO THAT OR ELSE AND IT DOESN’T SAY THAT HE’S GOING TO COOPERATE IF YOU ALL DO IT, AND IT WAS DONE FOR CLINTON AND NIXON AND THERE IS PRECEDENT FOR IT ALTHOUGH NOT CONSTITUTIONALLILY REQUIRED. HERE ARE TWO DEMOCRATS TODAY. >>I DO THINK IT IS TIME FOR US TO PUT A VOTE ON THE FLOOR, A RESOLUTION FOR THE INQUIRY, STRUCTURED IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH FULL POWER OF THE CONGRESS BEHIND IT. >>I WOULD LOVE TO REMOVE THAT AS A TALKING POINT OR A REASON FOR THE OBSTRUCTION THAT YOU’RE SEEING FROM THE PRESIDENT.>>SO YOU’RE THE CHAIR OF THE HOUSE DEMOCRATIC CAUCUS. YOU KNOW, YOU’RE TALKING TO EVERYBODY ALL THE TIME. WHAT ARE YOU HEARING? IS THERE GOING TO BE A VOTE?>>WELL, THE SUPPORT STILL EXISTS FOR THE POSITION THAT SPEAKER PELOSI HAS ARTICULATED IN A STRONG FASHION. SHE’S THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICER. THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE IS ONE OF THE FEW POSITIONS ACTUALLY MENTIONED IN THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION. WHEN SHE DECLARED THAT WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF AN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY THAT HAS THE FULL FORCE AND WEIGHT OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION AND WE ALSO KNOW THAT THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THE CAUCUS AND ONE INDEPENDENT IN THE CONGRESS SUPPORT IMPEACHMENT SO THE MAJORITY IN TERMS OF THE INQUIRY SO A MAJORITY OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES SUPPORT — >>CONSTITUTIONALLY, OF COURSE. I GUESS THE QUESTION IS POLITICALLY, RIGHT? AS BETO O’ROURKE SAID, GET RID OF THE TALKING POINT. YOU DID IT FOR CLINTON AND YOU DID IT FOR NIXON, WHY NOT NOW? WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF? DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD END UP BEING IN THAT POSITION? I KNOW THEY CAN CALL HUNTER BIDEN. OBVIOUSLY, THERE ARE CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE, BUT DO YOU THINK IT’S POSSIBLE?>>IT IS OUR EXPECTATION AND AS THE SPEAKER HAS CONSISTENTLY INDICATED WE WILL TREAT PRESIDE PRESIDENT TRUMP FAIRLY AND WE JUST WANT TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS WHOLE SORDID EPISODE BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THE FACTS ARE ON THE SIDE OF SERIOUS WRONGDOING HAVING OCCURRED AND THE QUESTION REALLY IS WHAT IS THE PRESIDENT AFRAID OF? HE’S GOING TO CONTINUE TO THROW UP PROCEDURAL ROAD BLOCKS TO US UNCOVERING EVIDENCE. IF HE HAS NOTHING TO HIDE STOP HEIGHTING FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. MIKE POMPEO, MIKE PEPS AND RUDY GIULIANI, ALL OF THE PRS’S MEN CONTINUE TO HIDE FROM AMERICAN PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY CAN’T ADDRESS THE SUBSTANCE OF THE UNDERMINING OF THE NATIONAL SECURITY.>>I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.>>THANK YOU. OUTSIDE NEXT, THEY’RE FIGHTING THE BAY THEY’RE CONDUCTING THE IMPEACHMENT INVESTIGATION. >>YOU CAN’T ASK QUESTIONS. >>THE EXPERTS ARE NEXT. >>PLUS THE VICE PRESIDENT AND THE SECRETARY OF STATE COMING TO THE PRESIDENT’S DEFENSE TONIGHT.>>>COULD THEY SOON FIND THEMSELVES IN TROUBLE FOR WHAT THEY DID IN THE UKRAINE CONTROVERSY AND JOE BIDEN TAKING AN APPARENT SHOT AT ELIZABETH WARREN? IS HE GETTING WORRIED?>>IT TAKES PROVEN ABILITY TO GET THINGS DONE. WE’RE N>>>BREAKING TONIGHT, PRESIDENT TRUMP LASHING OUT AGAINST HOUSE DEMOCRATS AS HE STONEWALLS THEIR IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY, THE PRESIDENT HEDGING WHEN ASKED IF HE WOULD COOPERATE IF THEY HOLD A VOTE TO AUTHORIZE THE INVESTIGATION.>>WE WOULD IF THEY GIVE US OUR RIGHTS. IT DEPENDS IF THEY VOTE AND THEY SAY YOU CAN’T HAVE LAWYERS AND YOU CAN’T ASK QUESTIONS AND YOU CAN’T HAVE ANYONE PRESENT IS AND ALL OF THESE CRAZY THINGS AND IT REALLY IS AN UNFAIR SITUATION. >>FORMER ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF CONGRESSIONAL AFFAIRS AT THE FBI UNDER PRESIDENT BUSH AND ANN MILLGRAM, FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL AND DOUG BRINKLEY, EXCUSE ME, CNN PRESIDENTIAL HISTORIAN AND EVAN PERES IS ALSO WITH ME OUR SENIOR JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT. WE SHOULD HAVE LAWYERS ASK QUESTIONS AND HAVE PEOPLE PRESENT AND HE CALLS THE WHOLE INQUIRY UNFAIR. IS THERE ANY TRUTH TO THAT?>>HI, ERIN. I WOULD SAY THERE IS NOT ANY TRUTH TO THAT, AND I AM NOT A JOURNALIST, BUT I WOULD GUARANTEE YOU THAT NOT A SINGLE JOURNALIST HAS SAID ANYTHING LIKE THAT EXCEPT SOMEBODY OUT THERE ON THE FRINGE WHO ISN’T A REAL JOURNALIST. THE FACTS ARE THESE, THE HOUSE SETS THE RULES. THERE IS NO PRECEDENT WHATSOEVER FOR AN ADVERSARIAL-TYPE PROCEEDING WITH RESPECT TO AN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. IT IS A ONE-WAY PROCESS AND THE HOUSE CONDUCTS AN INVESTIGATION. IT IS NOT UNLIKE A GRAND JURY INVESTIGATION IN THE CRIMINAL CONTEXT WHERE THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CONDUCTS ITS OWN INVESTIGATION IN SECRET. THE TARGET OF THE INVESTIGATION HAS NO OPPORTUNITY TO CALL WITNESSES OR EVEN KNOW WHAT’S GOING ON, BUT REST ASSURED WHEN THAT CRIMINAL DEFENDANT IS CHARGED IF HE OR SHE IS CHARGED OR IN THIS CASE IF THE PRESIDENT IS IMPEACHED HE WILL THEN BE ABLE TO PRESENT WITNESSES AND PRESENT EVIDENCE AND THAT PROCESS IN THE SENATE LOOKS MUCH MORE LIKE A TRIAL, BUT THIS PROCESS, THIS IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY PROCESS IS NOT THAT.>>ANNE, I THINK THIS IS SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT KEEPS SAYING THE FACT THAT IT’S DONE IN SECRET AND THE FACT THAT THEY CAN’T CALL WITNESSES AND THAT IN AND OF ITSELF IS UNFAIR AND PEOPLE AT HOME SAY OKAY, AND THEY SAID NO.>>GREG DID A GREAT JOB OF EXPLAINING IT IS THE CONGRESSIONAL PROCESS AT THIS TIME IT IS LIKE A GRAND JURY INVESTIGATION AND THE INVESTIGATION IS THE MOST IMPORTANT WORD IN THAT THEY’RE GOING TO GATHER DOCUMENTS. THEY’RE GOING TO INTERVIEW WITNESSES. OFTENTIMES THEY’LL DEPOSE WITNESSES BEFORE THEY EVEN CALL THEM BEFORE THE COMMITTEE AND REMEMBER, THOSE COMMITTEES ARE BIPARTISAN. WHEN WITNESSES GO BEFORE THE COMMIT WHETHER IT’S CLOSED DOOR OR PUBLIC THEY’RE QUESTIONED BY BOTH DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS. THAT’S THE INVESTIGATIONS. AT THE POINT THAT IMPEACHMENT IS BROUGHT THAT’S FILING A FORMAL CHARGE AND THEN YOU WOULD GO ON TO A TRIAL IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE WHEN ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE TRUE. THE PRESIDENT GETS LAWYERS AND GETS TO CROSS-EXAMINE WITNESSES, BUT NOT NOW.>>SO WE HAVE EXPOSED THAT AS NOT TRUE WHAT HE’S SAYING THERE. DOUG, THE HOUSE SPEAKER IS RESISTING CALLS TO HOLD THAT VOTE AND YOU HEARD CONGRESSMAN JEFFREY SAYING THEY’RE ALL TOWING THE LINE ON THAT ALTHOUGH WE’VE HEARD SOME DEMOCRATS COME OUT AND SAY THEY SHOULD VOTE. SHE’S RESPONDED TO THAT WHITE HOUSE LETTER, YOU KNOW THE ONE THAT THEY SAID ABSOLUTELY WE WILL NOT COOPERATE AT ALL. THE WHITE HOUSE SHOULD BE WARNED, THIS IS HER TODAY THAT CONTINUED EFFORTS TO HIDE THE TRUTH OF THE PRESIDENT’S ABUSE OF POWER WILL BE REGARDED AS FURTHER EVIDENCE OF OBSTRUCTION. MR. PRESIDENT, YOUR NOT ABOVE THE LAW. YOU WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. >>OBSTRUCTION IS TOUGH. THE PUBLIC LOOKS AT IT AS, OKAY, FINE. EACH IN THE CASE OF MUELLER. THEY CARE ABOUT THE UNDERLYING CRIME AND IT WAS THE LEAST COMPELLING OF THE NIXON ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT. WILL IT WORK NOW ON OBSTRUCTION?>>I THINK PELOSI JUST WANTS TO BUILD THE CASE A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. THEY’RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE EITHER BEFORE THANKSGIVING OR EARLY DECEMBER BECAUSE HE’S BUSTED. I MEAN, THE EVIDENCE IS ALREADY THERE. THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD ON IMPEACHMENT. SO I THINK PEOPLE ARE WONDERING WHAT’S THE INVESTIGATION GOING TO BE. IT’S WELL UNDER WAY. THERE WILL BE MORE INFORMATION, BUT IN THE END BY CHRISTMAS SEASON DONALD TRUMP WILL PROBABLY HAVE AN EYE ON HIS CHEST FOREVER, MEANING HE WAS IMPEACHED BY CONGRESS AND SENATE WILL BE A TRIAL AND THEY’LL TAKE ON A WHOLE DIFFERENT CONTOUR THEN. >>EVAN, LOOK, THE LETTER IS — OR I’M SORRY, WHAT I SAY IS THE TRANSCRIPT IS WHAT THE TRANSCRIPT IS OF THE CALL, RIGHT? IT — IT’S THERE, SO EITHER PEOPLE THINK — SEE THIS AS ENOUGH OR THEY DON’T. DO — IS THERE FEAR IN CONGRESS THAT THEY’RE RUNNING THE RISK OF RIGHT NOW THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE SEEN THAT. THEY UNDERSTAND THAT. THEY’RE FOCUSED ON IT, BUT THE LONGER THIS DRAWS OUT AND YOU ALREADY HAD THE QUOTE, UNQUOTE SMOKING GUN, YOUIO DO DON’T GET. DO YOU LOSE MOMENTUM?>>THAT’S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY YOU SEE THE NERVOUS COMMENTS ABOUT PERHAPS TRYING TO HOLD THE VOTE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER AND THAT’S WHAT THE PRESIDENT’S AIM HERE IS. THAT’S WHAT HIS TEAM’S AIM HERE IS TO DRAG THIS OUT AND MAKE IT ESSENTIALLY A BATTLE OF WILLS AND MAKE IT A PARTISAN FIST FIGHT OR FOOD FIGHT, RATHER, BECAUSE IN THAT CASE HE BELIEVES HE WILL WIN, RIGHT? AND THAT’S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY YOU SEE THIS STRATEGY THAT IS E MERGING FROM THE REPUBLICAN SIDE FROM THE PRESIDENT’S SIDE SO THE DEMOCRATS DO HAVE TO BE CONCERNED THAT LIKE THE MUELLER THING WHICH DRAGGED ON FOR TWO YEARS THAT IF THIS GOES ON TOO LONG THEY WILL LOSE THE MOMENTUM ON THIS FROM A POLITICAL STANDPOINT.>>AND GREG, LOOK, PRESIDENT TRUMP TONIGHT IS FORESHADOWING HIS STRATEGY, RIGHT? HE SAID YOU HOLD A VOTE AND DOESN’T SAY HE’LL COOPERATE NECESSARILY, BUT MAYBE, BUT HE’S FIGHTING EVERYTHING. HE’S FIGHTING EVERY SINGLE WITNESS AND HERE’S HOW HE PUTS IT.>>WE WROTE A LETTER YESTERDAY AND PROBABLY ENDS UP BEING A BIG SUPREME COURT CASE, MAYBE IT GOES A LONG TIME. I DON’T KNOW.>>HOW LONG DOES THIS GO ON, GREG? THAT’S CLEARLY HIS STRATEGY, RIGHT?>>CLEARLY, AND THIS SEEMS TO — IT’S BEEN HIS STRATEGY ALL ALONG TO PREVENT THE FACTS FROM COMING OUT, TO PREVENT WITNESSES FROM TESTIFYING TO REFUSE TO PRODUCE DOCUMENTS AND THE HOUSE WILL HAVE NO CHOICE, BUT TO EITHER LITIGATE THOSE ISSUES WHICH ULTIMATELY, I BELIEVE, WILL BE DECIDED AGAINST THE PRESIDENT, PERHAPS ULTIMATELY BY THE SPOISHG, SUPREME COURT OR OPTION B AS IT INTENDS TO DO IN PART TO SIMPLY ADD THOSE EXAMPLES OF OBSTRUCTION TO AN ARTICLE OF IMPEACHMENT CENTERED AROUND OBSTRUCTIVE CONDUCT AND SIMPLY MOVE ON, BUT YEAH. IT APPEARS THAT THE DELAY GAME IS WHAT THE WHITE HOUSE WANTS TO PLAY. THE LETTER FROM THE WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL SEEMED TO ME TO BE MUCH MORE OF A POLITICAL ARGUMENT THAN ANY COGENT, LEGAL ARGUMENT AND CLEARLY THE WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL’S CLIENT SAID DO WHATEVER YOU CAN TO DELAY AND THAT’S THE PLAN.>>IS THERE ANYTHING THAT CONGRESS, REALLY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, CAN DO TO STOP HIM FROM PUSHING THE CLOCK?>>YES, THEY HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE. I MEAN, LOOK, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE UNDERSTAND SINCE GEORGE WASHINGTON, PRESIDENTS AREN’T SUPPOSED TO ENCOURAGE FOREIGN COUNTRIES — >>YOU MEET A VOTE ON THE INQUIRY OR A VOTE ON THE ARTICLE. >>ON THE ARTICLE BASED ON THE TRANSCRIPT. I THINK THEY’LL HAVE TO NAIL HIM FROM THAT BECAUSE THERE’S FATIGUE AND YEARS AFTER THE MUELLER AND BEKICKING IT DOWN A THIS SAY POLITICAL MOMENT. THEY HAVE HIM. THERE WOULD BE A DERELICTION OF DUTY IF THE DEMOCRATS DIDN’T PUSH THIS FORWARD AND SEND A MESSAGE FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS THAT THAT KIND OF BEHAVIOR OF WHAT TRUMP DID WITH THE UKRAINIAN LEADER IS UNACCEPTABLE.>>ALL OF YOU STAY WITH ME. LINDSAY GRAHAM HAS A MESSAGE FOR THE HOUSE SPEAKER TONIGHT.>>I WANT NANCY POLICE ELOSI TO THAT REPUBLICAN SENATORS ARE NOT GOING TO IMPEACH THIS PRESIDENT.>>ARE THERE SIGNS THAT COULD CHANGE?>>BERNIE SANDERS IN HIS FIRST MAJOR SITDOWN INTERVIEW TRYING TO CLARIFY WHAT HE SAID LAST NIGHT>>>BREAKING TONIGHT. SECRETARY OF STATE MIKE POMPEO AND VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE DEFENDING THE PRESIDENT AND THEIR ROLES IN THE UKRAINE SCANDAL.>>I NEVER DISCUSSED THE ISSUE OF — THE ISSUE OF THE BIDENS WITH PRESIDENT ZELENSKY. >>I WAS ON THE CALL. I LISTENED TO IT AND IT WAS CONSIST WENT WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS BEEN TRYING TO DO TO TAKE CORRUPTION OUT. I FOUND THAT TO BE WHOLLY APPROPRIATE TO TRY TO GET ANOTHER COUNTRY TO STOP BEING CORRUPT.>>EVERYONE IS BACK WITH ME. SO, ANN, TWO DIFFERENT SITUATIONS THERE, SHALL WE SAY. WE START WITH PENCE. HE’S INVOLVED WITH THIS WHETHER HE LIKES IT OR NOT AND FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND HE’S THE ONE THAT DELIVERED THE MESSAGE OF NO AID AND MAYBE HE DIDN’T UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE CONTEXT OF WHAT HE WAS A PART OF. >>WHAT’S INTERESTING IS PENCE HAS BEEN OUT OF THE HURRICANE LARGELY THROUGH THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME HE’S IN THE CROSSHAIRS OF SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED AND HE’S AN IMPORTANT WITNESS AND WHAT’S FASCINATING ABOUT ALL OF THIS IS TRUMP, AS WE KNOW, HAS REPEATEDLY CHANGED HIS DEFENSE AND HIS ARGUMENT. IT WAS A FPERFECT CALL, AND IT WAS PERFECT AND WE SEE MIKE PENCE AND POMPEO, AND WHEN THEY HAVE TO TESTIFY BEFORE CONGRESS AND WHEN THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE DOCUMENTS AND WHETHER THEY HAVE EXPRESSED DOUBTS OR CONCERNS. >>WHICH SO MANY OTHERS ON THE CALL FOUND IT TO BE WHOLLY INAPPROPRIATE AS THOSE WHO LISTENED TO IT.>>EVAN, PENCE AND POMPEO UNDER IMMENSE SCRUTINY. REFUSING ANYONE FROM THE STATE DEPARTMENT THAT THEY CAN CONTROL AND NOT ALLOWING THEM TO TESTIFY. ONE PERSON IN TRUMP’S ORBIT WHO IS ESCAPING SO FAR, BUT COULD BE VERY IMPORTANT, WHO IS THAT?>>THAT’S BILL BARR. LOOK, IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS HE WAS IN THE CROSSHAIRS OF THE DEMOCRATS AND THEY WERE FAULTING HIM NOT ONLY BECAUSE HE WAS MENTIONED IN THE PHONE CALL AND HE TOLD THE UKRAINIAN LEADER I WANT YOU TO WORK WITH MY ATTORNEY GENERAL AND MY PERSONAL ATTORNEY RUDY GIULIANI ON THIS ISSUE WITH THE BIDENS. BEYOND, THAT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, IF YOU REMEMBER, PRODUCED THE LEGAL GUIDANCE THAT BLOCKED THIS WHISTLE-BLOWER COMPLAINT FROM GOING TO CONGRESS. SO THE MYSTERY HAS BEEN WHY THE DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN HOLDING THEIR FIRE ON BARR AND INSTEAD JUST FOCUSING ON POMPEO AND THE STATE DEPARTMENT. WHAT WE’RE HEARING IS THEY’RE NOT QUITE SAYING THEY’RE NOT GOING TO SAY THAT, BUT RIGHT NOW THEY’RE LASER FOCUSED ON POMPEO AND THE STATE DEPARTMENT. THEY THINK THAT’S WHERE THE STORY HAS OBVIOUSLY MORE MERIT RIGHT NOW ASK WE’LL SEE WHETHER OR NOT THEY’LL GO AFTER BARR DOWN THE ROAD. >>WHEN YOU HEARD MIKE POMPEO SAY, GIVEN THAT WE’VE SEEN THE TRANSCRIPT OF THE CALL AND EVEN THOUGH REPUBLICANS HAVE SPOKE EBBEN OUT ABOUT IT, LOOK, WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID ABOUT A FAVOR WAS INAPPROPRIATE, MIKE PROOMPEO SA I WAS ON THE CALL AND IT WAS CONSISTENT AND I FOUND IT TO BE WHOLLY APPROPRIATE TO GET ANOTHER COUNTRY TO STOP BEING CORRUPT. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT? OBVIOUSLY, HE’S AVOIDING THE WHOLE ISSUE OF THE BIDEN PART OF IT. HE’S IN HOOK, LINE AND SINKER HERE.>>WELL, HE IS, AND HE SEEMS TO BE SIMPLY, BLINDLY FOLLOWING THE PRESIDENT AND TAKING HIS CUES FROM THE PRESIDENT. IT MAY BE THAT THE VICE PRESIDENT DOESN’T KNOW MUCH, AND IT WOULDN’T BE THE FIRST TIME THAT A VICE PRESIDENT IS COMPLETELY OUT OF THE LOOP ON SOMETHING IMPORTANT, BUT THAT’S WHAT WE NEED TO FIND OUT AND THAT’S WHY CONGRESS NEEDS TO GET THE FACTS AND CLEARLY THE SECRETARY OF STATE WAS IN THE LOOP, KNOWS ALL ABOUT IT, BUT IT’S BLINDLY DEFENDING THE PRESIDENT. >>SO, DOUG, SENATOR LINDSAY GRAHAM IS NOW STEPPING IT UP WHEN IT COMES TO THE SENATE BECAUSE THAT’S WHERE HE BELIEVES IT WILL COME. HE WILL ASK THE U CRAWNIANS TO SEND A LETTER AND HE’S TRYING TO GET PS PEOPLE ALIGNED AND BEHIND HIP, HERE HE IS. >>I WANT NANCY PELOSI TO KNOW THAT REP SO SHE CAN STOP NOW BEFORE SHE DESTROYS THE COUNTRY.>>WOULD A LETTER LIKE THAT MEAN ANYTHING? WE KNOW WHERE THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEM STAND AND IT WOULD NOT BE BREAKING NEWS, BUT IT’S A LETTER. >>IT’S ABOUT LINDSAY GRAHAM WANTING TO BE A LEAD AND ARE IT’S THE SAME DAY HE CALLED SHAMELESS DENOUNCING TRUMP AND NOW HE’S SAYING HE’LL HAVE A LETTER WITH SIGNATURES ON THEM. THE SHOW ISN’T IN THE SENATE RIGHT NOW. THE SHOW IS IN CONGRESS. PELOSI IS LEADING THE MARCH ONWARD WITH THEM MOVING TOWARDS IMPEACHMENT AND LINDSAY GRAHAM IS THE SIDE PLAYER. HE’LL HAVE HIS DAY, THOUGH, WHEN EVENTUALLY IF HE CAN END UP GETTING HUNTER BIDEN TO SPEAK OR — >>IN FRONT OF HIS COMMITTEE. >>THE THING THAT’S TROUBLING ABOUT THIS IS WE’RE AT A POINT NOW WHEN A DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED CONGRESS SAID WE WANT INFORMATION AND WE WANT INFORMATION FROM THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND THE PENTAGON AND THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET AND THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH IS REFUSING TO TURN OVER THAT INFORMATION. SO LINDSAY GRAHAM AND EVERY OTHER SENATOR SHOULD BE SAYING GIVE THEM THE INFORMATION WE WANT. THEY CAN HAVE ANY POLITICAL ARGUMENT THEY WANT AND THERE IS A MORE FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE AT PLAY HERE THAT GRAHAM HAS BASICALLY DECIDED THAT THE EXECUTIVE GETS TO NOT EVER LISTEN TO CONGRESS AND THAT IS DEEPLY TROUBLING. BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT? EVENTUALLY THE SHOE IS ON THE OTHER FOOT AND THEY’LL COME A TIME AND THEY’LL REGRET THAT.>>IT WILL TAKE 20 REPUBLICANS? RIGHT NOW THAT’S A SNOWBALL’S CHANCE IN HELL, BUT WE’RE NOT THERE. THERE ARE EIGHT SENATORS WHO EXPERIENCED — THEY’RE MAD, AND ANOTHER SIX ARE CALLING FOR MORE INFORMATION. SO WHEN YOU TAKE THAT TOGETHER YOU GET THAT 14, WHAT DO YOU THINK? IS THAT MORE THAN YOU WOULD EVEN THINK WOULD BE SAYING THAT AT THIS POINT?>>YEAH, YOU KNOW WHAT? I AM SURPRISED THAT MORE ARE SAYING WE WANT MORE INFORMATION AND THAT’S KIND OF WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT MEMBERS OF CONGRESS TO BE DOING. AS ANN JUST POINTED OUT, USUALLY MEMBERS OF CONGRESS JEALOUSLY GUARD THE IDEA OF HAVING OVERSIGHT OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH THAT IF THEY’RE ASKING FOR INFORMATION THAT THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH DOESN’T JUST GET TO SAY NO, AND SO YOU WOULD THINK AT LEAST SOME OF THEM WOULD BE SAYING WE WANT TO SEE MORE. WE WANT TO HEAR MORE, BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK THE WHITE HOUSE HAS BEEN TRYING TO GET EVERYBODY ONBOARD WITH THE IDEA THAT THIS IS ALL POLITICAL AND YOU NEED TO STAY IN LINE BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT THE PRESIDENT WANTS.>>IT’S INTERESTING DURING FAST AND FURIOUS IT WAS TREY GOWDY, HEAD OF OVERSIGHT, WHO SAID I DON’T CARE WHAT POLITICAL PARTY IS IN CHARGE OF CONGRESS AND WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT IT WHEN THE PARTY IN CHARGE ASKS FOR INFORMATION YOU HAND IT OVER. THAT WAS TREY GOWDY AND HE FORMALLY, ACCORDING TO JAY SEKULOW BEEN NAMED AS AN ADVISER AND GOING TO BE HELPING THE PRESIDENT IN THIS. SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? DOES TREY GOWDY PRETEND HE NEVER THOUGHT OR SAID THAT?>>YEAH. I THINK THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT WE CAN EXPECT. HE WILL PRETEND HE NEVER THOUGHT OR SAID THAT JUST LIKE SENATOR GRAHAM IS PRETENDING THAT HE NEVER SAID AND THOUGHT THE THINGS THAT HE CLEARLY SAID. THERE’S PLENTY OF VIDEOTAPE EVIDENCE DURING THE CLINTON IMPEACHMENT WHERE HE VEHEMENTLY ARGUED THAT THE OBSTRUCTION OF AN BY THE WHITE HOUSE, BY THE PRESIDENT WAS IN AND OF ITSELF GROUNDS FOR IMPEACHMENT. THE OTHER THING I WOULD POINT OUT IF WE LISTEN TO GRAHAM’S COMMENTS AND THEY’RE NOT GOING TO EMPEACH, ASK PUTTING SEMANTICS ASIDE. HE’S BASICALLY SAYING WE’RE NOT WILLING TO LISTEN TO THE EVIDENCE. WE’RE NOT WILLING TO HAVE A FAIR TRIAL. WHAT HE OUGHT TO BE SAYING TO THE SPEAKER IS MADAM SPEAKER IF YOU SEND US ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT, THIS IS A VERY SERIOUS MATTER. WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO PUT POLITICS ASIDE AND LISTEN TO THE EVIDENCE. I CAN’T GUARANTEE YOU THAT THE VOTES TO CONVICT MAY BE THERE. THEY MAY NOT BE THERE, THEY MAY NOT BE THERE, BUT WE WILL LISTEN AND TAKE IT SERIOUSLY.>>NOT AT ALL WHAT HE’S SAYING. >>THANK YOU VERY MUCH. JOE BIDEN FOR THE FIRST TIME CALLING FOR TRUMP’S IMPEACHMENT AND NOT HOLDING BACK.>>HE’S SHOOTING HOLES IN THE CONSTITUTION, AND WE CANNOT LET HIM GET AWAY WITH IT.>>PLUS ELIZABETH WARREN IN SOUTH CAROLINA CAMPAIGNING TONIGHT. SHE’S TRYING TO COURT A GROUP OF VOTERS THAT SHE MUST HAVE FOR A BIG WIN. . >>>BREAKING NEWS. BERNIE SANDERS DEFENDING HIS CAMPAIGN’S DECISION TO WAIT NEARLY THREE DAYS TO DISCLOSE THAT SANDERS HAD A HEART ATTACK. HERE HE IS.>>THAT’S NOT IT THE FIRST THING WE’RE TRYING TO DO IS UNDERSTAND WHAT’S GOING ON AND NOT RUN TO “THE NEW YORK TIMES.” WE ACTED APPROPRIATELY. >>HE SCALED BACK HIS CAMPAIGN SCHEDULE SAYING I MISSPOKE THE OTHER DAY AND I SAID A WORD I SHOULD NOT HAVE SAID. WE’LL GET BACK IN THE GROOVE OF A VERY VIGOROUS CAMPAIGN. JUST TAKE A LISTEN TO WHAT HE DID SAY YESTERDAY AFTER HE MET WITH HIS CARDIOLOGIST.>>I THINK WE CAN CHANGE THE NATURE OF THE CAMPAIGN A BIT, MAKE SURE THAT I HAVE THE STRENGTH TO DO WHAT I HAVE TO DO.>>OUT FRONT NOW, PATRICK HEALY, POLITICS EDITOR AT “THE NEW YORK TIMES” AND A NATIONAL POLITICAL REPORTER AT THE WASHINGTON POST. PATRICK, SANDERS SAYING HE MISSPOKE. YESTERDAY HE DID SOUND SUBDUED AND TODAY HE WAS MUCH MORE THE BERNIE SANDERS WE ARE ALL FAMILIAR WITH. HE SAID WHAT HE SAID YESTERDAY AND IT WASN’T JUST A WORD. IT WAS MUCH MORE AND TODAY HE’S PURPOSELY USING THE WORD VIGOROUS. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF IT?>>HE’S SENDING A MESSAGE TO THE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPORTING HIM ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND CERTAINLY WERE DONATING TO HIM WITH LIVING WITH A HUGE AMOUNT OF CASH ON HAND THAT HE’S STILL IN THIS AND THAT IF YOU’RE GOING TO WIN THE NOMINATION OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AGAINST DONALD TRUMP YOU HAVE TO FIGHT FOR IT AND FIGHT EVERY DAY. HE’S SENDING A CLEAR MESSAGE THAT HE’S NOT DROPPING OUT OF THE WAYS. I THINK YESTERDAY AFTER THAT QUOTE IT CHANGED THE NATURE OF THE CAMPAIGN AND THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER THIS WAS A CAMPAIGN THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE CLOSING DOWN OVER TIME, BUT HE STILL WANTS TO AT LEAST FIGHT FOR THE ISSUES AND THE POLICIES THAT HE’S GOING FOR, BUT I DON’T THINK IT HELPED, ERIN, THAT THIS CAME AT THE SAME TIME THAT HE BASICALLY WAS SAYING THAT HE WAITED FOR THREE DAYS TO DISCLOSE TO THE PUBLIC THAT HE HAD A HEART ATTACK. YOU KNOW, HIS CAMPAIGN WAS GETTING QUESTIONS EVERY DAY BY THE HOUR. THERE WAS MISINFORMATION CERTAINLY ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND OUT THERE AMONG VOTERS. QUESTIONS ABOUT HIS HEALTH CONDITION AND THEY DECIDED TO SIT ON THAT FOR REASONS THAT HAVEN’T BEEN CLARIFIED.>>WHEN

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